@caseyweederman @Bro666 Remember - from the proper POV, everyone’s an asshole :)

@caseyweederman @Bro666 that only means one of three things:
a) your sample size of Linux users is too small
b) the echo chamber of Linux users you measure yourself against is too homogeneous (and y’all happen to be nice guys)
or c) you really aren’t a nice guy and you just look down on all Windows users equally.

There’s a lot of nice Windows users - and there’s a lot of not-so-nice Linux users. Don’t get confused when measuring up people - judging a whole group from your POV isn’t good at all.

@Bro666 @Ephera this is it exactly. Those that take it the other way have a much too strong bipartisan way of thinking - everything is on exaggerated scales of a vs b, attacking the person, not the subject.

💪👏🏻 well said!

@who @Bro666 Well, it’s good then that your opinion doesn’t matter? No, it’s not too soon. X11 was a WELL KNOWN security risk *30 years* ago. For 30 years I’ve been managing systems, knowing that even an unprivileged compromise might lead to a machine leaking more than a sieve with its mesh missing.

Will it be disruptive? No. Will it change *your* workflow? Sure, at least in part, if you’re a streamer or have some very borderline needs.

X11 is a cancer long overdue.

@bytesonbike @Bro666 No, but a lot of people have said "I can’t create without Photoshop/Final Cut/Logic/Motion - applications that are Apple-first or Apple-only (and some of them, most of them, come from Apple).

@BlackLaZoR @schnurrito That is not a function of a UI - that’s a function of NetworkManager (or whatever network stack your distro uses).

As for WireGuard - it does that automagically across all platforms and all network stacks I’ve used it on so far - so if it’s not doing it for you, then you got something screwed up somewhere else, deeper down.

@idriss @Saapas It’s still an upgrade we’ve known for over two decades that we needed. The X protocol is inherently insecure by design - showing its age. If Wayland manages to nudge us a little closer to the reality of today, that’s a good thing - even if it comes bundled with some diaper rash.

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