Lyft and Uber say they will leave Minneapolis if the mayor signs a minimum wage bill for drivers::Lyft and Uber threatened to stop doing business in Minneapolis after the city council adopted a new rule Thursday that would set a minimum wage for rideshare drivers.

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      Uber & Lyft drivers assume all the financial risk and responsibility for their car payment, maintenance, insurance, cleaning, health and dental insurance, etc. You’ll find that once you factor in the externalities the tech companies push into their workers, they don’t necessarily make good money at all.

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        So do pizza delivery drivers and they make great money.

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          They really don’t. When I was a pizza guy about ten years ago, after fuel & maintenance I would make the equivalent of about $12 USD per hour averaged over a month of full time work.

          And one big repair like your power steering pump can ruin the whole month. It’s a great way to “use up” the last of your car before you scrap it, but really not a sustainable job.

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            Weird because when I was a pizza guy, I made more than I did as a teacher

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              Well are you factoring in the costs to the automobile like they mentioned? As they say they are a hidden cost and can be quite considerable long term as delivering pizzas adds a lot of wear and tear on a vehicle. When I delivered a LOOOONNNG time ago the costs really did sneak up on me. It was a fun job, and initially I thought it paid well - till I got a couple surprises.

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                I’m vastly smarter than you, but no longer a teacher. Pay couldn’t keep up.

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                  Well, you did go get a degree that scored you a job that pays less than a pizza driver, so I have to assume that you’re actually not very smart at all. ;)

                  So long and thanks for the laughs. :)

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                    Lol fuck teachers amirite?

                    No way they should be paid more.

                    Anyway I’m currently making 6 figures. What do you make?

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          Ah yes, pizza delivery drivers are well known to be among the highest income earners. Up there with doctors, I believe.

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            Good time to remind everyone doctors are overpaid due to artificial scarcity, because the ADA lobbies Congress to artificially limit the number of residencies, to keep supply of doctors low

            And I didn’t say pizza drivers were rich, I said they make a good living. They do.

            I made about $20/hr as a delivery driver, take-home, which put me above both what I made as a teacher (roughly 14/hr) and my next 2 jobs (e-learning developer, salesperson -16/18 respectively).

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        Because it’s a custom minimum wage that only their companies have to pay, set arbitrarily to make shit like taxis more competitive.

        Yellow Cab fucking admitted in NYC that they only pushed the “Uber drivers make lower wages” rhetoric because they couldn’t compete, when in fact Uber drivers make what taxi drivers make.

        So now Uber just contracts out taxis, and gets their money anyway

        https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/24/business/uber-new-york-taxis.html

        But at least people have to pay more for rides.

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          How the hell does a minimum wage make taxis more competitive? That doesn’t make any sense. If uber drivers already make more than the minimum wage then a minimum wage would have no effect on that.

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            You should read the article, because it’s only a set minimum for those two companies, not a general min wage.

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          I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. I am in Portland and Uber & Lyft are so popular here that the cabs here mostly do medical transport for non-emergency situations. I use to be a dispatcher here for several years. All cabs did were go to various hospitals and doctor offices.

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      Uhh, Uber drivers are definitely poor… It’s just that taxi drivers are also poor…

      Plus, those figures are just averages. Did they take the median or the mean? Are the taxi drivers numbers more of a bell curve with everyone making similar amounts while the Uber drivers are either doing well or not doing well at all? My total guess based on no data whatsoever is yes but I’d be interested in seeing the data if you have it. MLMs use this same trick when they try to convince you their businesses are viable

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        It’s weird that you think someone making more than 30-35% of the country is “poor”

        You’ll forgive me for not putting much stock in your “total guess” when you believe as you do.

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          Yup. Alot of poor people in this country… It’s been getting worse.

          Too bad you don’t know how those averages were calculated. Would have been interesting

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            A) it’s fun how I can tell you’re from a wealthy family

            B) all averages are calculated the same way. That’s what “average” means. It’s literally a method of calculation.

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                If I’d meant median or mode I would have used those words. Average is equivalent to mean.

                Your link even says this, if you’d bothered to read it.

                Mean: The mean is what you get by adding up all of the numbers and dividing by how many numbers were in the list. Most people think of the mean when they use the word ‘average’ in a mathematical sense.

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                  Yes. The use of the mean as the average is why you can’t tell without looking at the data set if the average of $500 is 1000 people all making around $500 or 500 people making near nothing while the other 500 are making close to $1000 or 750 are making near nothing and 250 making close to $2000, etc…

                  In this case the mode gives you a more relevant data set. That’s probably not what they’re using though.

                  The best would probably a range of modes and the quantity of people in each bucket

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                No it’s just calling out the “rich progressive savior” mindset, and it’s always been derogatory.

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                  It’s sure neat how when centrists can no longer defend exploitative labor practices, they attack the person they’re talking to. Usually it’s with “You don’t understand how anything works” or “I assume you’re young and therefore wrong.” “I assume you have money and are therefore wrong” is a new one.

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                    He’s wrong without his money, his money just informed me of why he is wrong in this particular way.

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            Tell me you have rich parents without telling me you have rich parents.

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              Tell me you expect people to pretend they’re not poor in order to validate exploitative practices of a massive corporation without telling me you’re a centrist.