Indeed, 2014 is when the US invaded Ukraine and did as it always does and looked for the biggest Nazis they could find (Sbovoda in this case) to bankroll them
After the 2014 US-backed coup, several eastern Ukrainian provinces declared independence from the Ukrainian state, which they saw as illegitimate, including Crimea. Crimea wasn’t invaded by Russia, it invited Russia. Which seems to have been the right move, in retrospect, because Crimea didn’t suffer almost a decade of fascist paramilitary attacks like their neighbors to the north.
Imagine Putin put congressmen in Canada to take pictures with anti-Trudeau protesters who then forced him out, and were replaced with a French Canadian guy who was talking about how the English speakers are filthy infiltrators or some shit like that, and then they started talking about joining a Russian, explicitly anti-US coallition and putting nukes in the border.
Ontario and Vancouver would probably declare him illegitimate and secede immediately and they’d be correct to do so. Look at what Ukraine did to Donbas for 6 years, and how their Nazis had pogroms of romani people with full impunity, look at how they talked about ethnic Russians.
Fascists (and especially the US) love nothing more than throwing stones and hiding the hand and dumbass libs eat it up.
Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland MadeAssistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
Consortium News, 2023: The West’s Sabotage of Peace in UkraineFormer Israeli Prime Minister Bennett’s recent comments about getting his mediation efforts squashed in the early days of the war adds more to the growing pile of evidence that Western powers are intent on regime change in Russia.
even the Cato institute acknowledges the US was responsible for instigating the conflict.
Am supposed to trust owner class funded rag on this issue?
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. Saying that US is responsible for the war is disingenuous. 2022 invasion clearly exposed Russian geopolitical posture vis-a-vis Ukraine.
Only brain dead propagandist and poorly educated plebs still larping these clown theories. Tim Pool was confirmed paid by Russia for spreading this trash lol
If a CIA front is going “the CIA did this bad shit” then, yeah, you’re supposed to take it at face value. It serves no purpose for them to lie about it. Who gives a fuck about Tim Pool? Check what Jeffrey Sacks has to say about it, what Ben Norton and Alan MacLeod have reported.
Gringos suddenly mistrust US capitalist rags when they say uncomfortable stuff about the US but wholeheartedly buy whatever they say about Russia or China and whatever country isn’t full of whites.
Russia invaded Ukraine because US did a thing is a dilatory argument to justify Russia’s behavior.
I don’t larp US regime propaganda anymore than I would larp Russian regime propaganda. You are larping Russian propaganda because some idiots in US supports it?
I am not disputing that US likely did something but taking a position that Russia invaded Ukraine because of America is poorly educated take that dismiss 300 years of history between Russia and Ukraine and eastern Europe more broadly.
Do you even know what larping means? I’m not surprised you can’t digest the Ukraine situation when you can’t be bothered to look up what a word means, you just saw it used against tankies or whatever and now you can spam it willy nilly.
If a CIA front is going “the CIA did this bad shit” then, yeah, you’re supposed to take it at face value. It serves no purpose for them to lie about it.
lol no. Even when they take credit they could be lying for some agenda we don’t know. You literally can’t believe a single word that comes out of their mouths. It is zero information.
The primary sources are listed right there. Unless you think leaked audios of the fucking ambassador talking about regime change among many other pieces of evidence don’t count because they’re inconvenient, it doesn’t matter who the fuck links them.
Whether you do or you don’t is a matter of opinion. I’m engaging you at your level then, you don’t have to believe them, but the evidence is there, and that evidence certainly didn’t originate from them.
It’s clear y’all are just looking for excuses to not engage with the evidence.
Indeed, 2014 is when the US invaded Ukraine and did as it always does and looked for the biggest Nazis they could find (Sbovoda in this case) to bankroll them
A factually incorrect statement. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014.
After the 2014 US-backed coup, several eastern Ukrainian provinces declared independence from the Ukrainian state, which they saw as illegitimate, including Crimea. Crimea wasn’t invaded by Russia, it invited Russia. Which seems to have been the right move, in retrospect, because Crimea didn’t suffer almost a decade of fascist paramilitary attacks like their neighbors to the north.
Imagine Putin put congressmen in Canada to take pictures with anti-Trudeau protesters who then forced him out, and were replaced with a French Canadian guy who was talking about how the English speakers are filthy infiltrators or some shit like that, and then they started talking about joining a Russian, explicitly anti-US coallition and putting nukes in the border.
Ontario and Vancouver would probably declare him illegitimate and secede immediately and they’d be correct to do so. Look at what Ukraine did to Donbas for 6 years, and how their Nazis had pogroms of romani people with full impunity, look at how they talked about ethnic Russians.
Fascists (and especially the US) love nothing more than throwing stones and hiding the hand and dumbass libs eat it up.
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Anyone who’s actually been paying attention knows it was a coup backed by the US and perpetrated by Ukrainian Banderite fascists.
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https://www.cato.org/commentary/washington-helped-trigger-ukraine-war even the Cato institute acknowledges the US was responsible for instigating the conflict.
They stop just short of saying the US financed the coup of Yanukovich, but if you read the sources that’s the only way to interpret it.
Am supposed to trust owner class funded rag on this issue?
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. Saying that US is responsible for the war is disingenuous. 2022 invasion clearly exposed Russian geopolitical posture vis-a-vis Ukraine.
Only brain dead propagandist and poorly educated plebs still larping these clown theories. Tim Pool was confirmed paid by Russia for spreading this trash lol
If a CIA front is going “the CIA did this bad shit” then, yeah, you’re supposed to take it at face value. It serves no purpose for them to lie about it. Who gives a fuck about Tim Pool? Check what Jeffrey Sacks has to say about it, what Ben Norton and Alan MacLeod have reported.
Gringos suddenly mistrust US capitalist rags when they say uncomfortable stuff about the US but wholeheartedly buy whatever they say about Russia or China and whatever country isn’t full of whites.
Russia invaded Ukraine because US did a thing is a dilatory argument to justify Russia’s behavior.
I don’t larp US regime propaganda anymore than I would larp Russian regime propaganda. You are larping Russian propaganda because some idiots in US supports it?
I am not disputing that US likely did something but taking a position that Russia invaded Ukraine because of America is poorly educated take that dismiss 300 years of history between Russia and Ukraine and eastern Europe more broadly.
Are you a useful idiot or a shill?
larp means “live action”.
online, it would just be roleplay.
Do you even know what larping means? I’m not surprised you can’t digest the Ukraine situation when you can’t be bothered to look up what a word means, you just saw it used against tankies or whatever and now you can spam it willy nilly.
lol no. Even when they take credit they could be lying for some agenda we don’t know. You literally can’t believe a single word that comes out of their mouths. It is zero information.
The primary sources are listed right there. Unless you think leaked audios of the fucking ambassador talking about regime change among many other pieces of evidence don’t count because they’re inconvenient, it doesn’t matter who the fuck links them.
Moving the goalposts
Whether you do or you don’t is a matter of opinion. I’m engaging you at your level then, you don’t have to believe them, but the evidence is there, and that evidence certainly didn’t originate from them.
It’s clear y’all are just looking for excuses to not engage with the evidence.