You know, when someone asks for sauce, they are asking for links; for proof
Obama didn’t raise taxes on the rich, he just closed loopholes for them!(https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/taxes) nor did Biden. Harris promised to continue the legacy of Biden and while Biden did vaguely talk about it for a short while nothing came of it
You know, when someone asks for sauce, they are asking for links; for proof
You are so f*cking lazy. You could have googled this stuff, instead of REPEATING your baseless claims. The worst thing you can do on the internet is express confident ignorance. And you just did it.
Obama didn’t raise taxes on the rich, he just closed loopholes for them
If you make a claim then you also take the requirement of proof on you. Don’t make assertions if you have to throw a hissie fit when someone asks for proof. And its kinda funny that you talk about repeating facts, when your definition of proof is “yeah he did it”
I am not going to make an account woth the New York Times, but going to assume you are right. Thought I find it weird that Obama’s “highest-earner-tax-rate-that-sharply-rose-in-2013” is not in his presidential records. Which would have made 2/3 of your claim flasw that all 3 last dem president raised… since you aren’t claiming anymore that Biden did :)
3 last dem president raised… since you aren’t claiming anymore that Biden did :)
Obama did exactly what I claimed he did. Raised tax rates on the rich. I proved it. He raised the top income tax rate from 35% to 39.6%.
Biden did exactly what I claimed he did. He raised the minimum tax on corporations from 0% to 15%. I never claim that Biden raised income tax rates. I don’t make shit up dude.
Here was my exact claim.
[Biden raised the minimum tax rates on corporations from 0% to 15%.]
If you make a claim then you also take the requirement of proof on you.
Everybody paying attention already knew these things to be true. Do you want me to prove that 2+2=4 next?
Corpos are now rich folk? Moving the goal post, ain’t you?
If you stated it, and if I asked you to prove it; yes! I am not even old enough to vote yet, I didn’t even live when Clinton was the fucking thing; how the fuck am I supposed to get to know things if I can’t ask?
And rereading this convo, your def of a good presidentship is how much they raised taxes on the rich? Really?
Corpos are now rich folk? Moving the goal post, ain’t you?
Not one inch. I literally never claimed Biden did anything other than reduce the tax rate on corporations. Which are mostly owned by the wealthy, but are also too powerful in their own right.
your def of a good presidentship is how much they raised taxes on the rich? Really?
I believe that raising (or lowering) taxes on the wealthy and/or corporations is literally one of the most important things if not the most important thing of a president’s term. The reason for that is because wealth inequality if related to almost every other problem we have.
how the fuck am I supposed to get to know things if I can’t ask?
You can ask. Including asking for links. But when someone makes an assertion you can and should google that assertion to find out if it is true if you suspect it is not, rather than simply repeating a false claim.
Also keep in mind that you cannot depend on the media to point out what the important stuff is. The billionaire owned media buries any good stuff about Dems because rich people want gigantic GOP cuts and because journalists aren’t any better at other people in focusing on what is important. That’s probably why you did not know about Harris’s 82 page PDF of policy proposals.
I am not even old enough to vote yet,
Then you should be a little more humble before making confidently false claims. I knew all of those things happened because I remembered them happening. So understand there are people who know more than you and aren’t necessarily lying when they tell you something you didn’t know.
You think any sort of meaningful change can occur while our political system revolves around a fund raising match where your chances are linked to how bribable you are?
You think shifting the social burdens, tho no one ever even considered lowering tax on lower echelons, is really going to help you out? Yaay, you get to keep one more percent of your paycheck! Or double yaay, you get to buy eggs for 2-4% cheaper! We made america great again, yippies!
What we really need to do is raise the minimal wage and tie it to inflation! That would actually solve problems! And if the corpos could afford the 35$/hr that 7 bucks was in the eighties then they can afford it now too!
You didn’t think I noticed that you found the edit button? But congratulations mate, you know this convo can be viewed on google wayback machine? I want you to look into the mirror and pat your minuscular cock with pride!Keep patting at it!
You didn’t think I noticed that you found the edit button?
I haven’t edited one single word on this. You could confirm that by checking the edit history. I literally never said Biden raised tax rates on the rich. I always said he raised taxes on corporations. I know exactly what Biden did so why the fuck would I say he did something I knew he didn’t do?
But congratulations mate, you know this convo can be viewed on google wayback machine?
Fantastic. You go do that and try to “catch me”. Post your findings here. Another way to go is to look at the edit history on Lemmy.
You think shifting the social burdens, tho no one ever even considered lowering tax on lower echelons, is really going to help you out?
You don’t get it at all. It’s not about lowering taxes on the poor. I said that wealth inequality is linked to almost all our other problems. It is precisely because the wealthy want super low taxes that the GOP tries to keep spending low. We don’t have universal health care because the wealthy want super low taxes. (ie wealth inequality). We don’t have a decent minimum wage because wealthy people want to maximize profits on assets (ie wealth inequality). Almost any problem you name I can tell you how it is linked to wealth inequality.
You know, when someone asks for sauce, they are asking for links; for proof
Obama didn’t raise taxes on the rich, he just closed loopholes for them!(https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/taxes) nor did Biden. Harris promised to continue the legacy of Biden and while Biden did vaguely talk about it for a short while nothing came of it
You are so f*cking lazy. You could have googled this stuff, instead of REPEATING your baseless claims. The worst thing you can do on the internet is express confident ignorance. And you just did it.
Nope. He raised tax rates on the rich.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/upshot/thanks-obama-highest-earners-tax-rates-rose-sharply-in-2013.html
Nope. She promised to raise taxes on corporations and the rich.
https://itep.org/a-distributional-analysis-of-kamala-harris-tax-plan/
Nope. Biden raised the minimum tax rates on corporations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/07/business/corporate-minimum-tax-impact.html
If you make a claim then you also take the requirement of proof on you. Don’t make assertions if you have to throw a hissie fit when someone asks for proof. And its kinda funny that you talk about repeating facts, when your definition of proof is “yeah he did it”
I am not going to make an account woth the New York Times, but going to assume you are right. Thought I find it weird that Obama’s “highest-earner-tax-rate-that-sharply-rose-in-2013” is not in his presidential records. Which would have made 2/3 of your claim flasw that all 3 last dem president raised… since you aren’t claiming anymore that Biden did :)
Obama did exactly what I claimed he did. Raised tax rates on the rich. I proved it. He raised the top income tax rate from 35% to 39.6%.
Biden did exactly what I claimed he did. He raised the minimum tax on corporations from 0% to 15%. I never claim that Biden raised income tax rates. I don’t make shit up dude.
Here was my exact claim.
[Biden raised the minimum tax rates on corporations from 0% to 15%.]
Everybody paying attention already knew these things to be true. Do you want me to prove that 2+2=4 next?
Corpos are now rich folk? Moving the goal post, ain’t you?
If you stated it, and if I asked you to prove it; yes! I am not even old enough to vote yet, I didn’t even live when Clinton was the fucking thing; how the fuck am I supposed to get to know things if I can’t ask?
And rereading this convo, your def of a good presidentship is how much they raised taxes on the rich? Really?
Not one inch. I literally never claimed Biden did anything other than reduce the tax rate on corporations. Which are mostly owned by the wealthy, but are also too powerful in their own right.
I believe that raising (or lowering) taxes on the wealthy and/or corporations is literally one of the most important things if not the most important thing of a president’s term. The reason for that is because wealth inequality if related to almost every other problem we have.
You can ask. Including asking for links. But when someone makes an assertion you can and should google that assertion to find out if it is true if you suspect it is not, rather than simply repeating a false claim.
Also keep in mind that you cannot depend on the media to point out what the important stuff is. The billionaire owned media buries any good stuff about Dems because rich people want gigantic GOP cuts and because journalists aren’t any better at other people in focusing on what is important. That’s probably why you did not know about Harris’s 82 page PDF of policy proposals.
Then you should be a little more humble before making confidently false claims. I knew all of those things happened because I remembered them happening. So understand there are people who know more than you and aren’t necessarily lying when they tell you something you didn’t know.
You think any sort of meaningful change can occur while our political system revolves around a fund raising match where your chances are linked to how bribable you are?
You think shifting the social burdens, tho no one ever even considered lowering tax on lower echelons, is really going to help you out? Yaay, you get to keep one more percent of your paycheck! Or double yaay, you get to buy eggs for 2-4% cheaper! We made america great again, yippies!
What we really need to do is raise the minimal wage and tie it to inflation! That would actually solve problems! And if the corpos could afford the 35$/hr that 7 bucks was in the eighties then they can afford it now too!
You didn’t think I noticed that you found the edit button? But congratulations mate, you know this convo can be viewed on google wayback machine? I want you to look into the mirror and pat your minuscular cock with pride!Keep patting at it!
I haven’t edited one single word on this. You could confirm that by checking the edit history. I literally never said Biden raised tax rates on the rich. I always said he raised taxes on corporations. I know exactly what Biden did so why the fuck would I say he did something I knew he didn’t do?
Fantastic. You go do that and try to “catch me”. Post your findings here. Another way to go is to look at the edit history on Lemmy.
You don’t get it at all. It’s not about lowering taxes on the poor. I said that wealth inequality is linked to almost all our other problems. It is precisely because the wealthy want super low taxes that the GOP tries to keep spending low. We don’t have universal health care because the wealthy want super low taxes. (ie wealth inequality). We don’t have a decent minimum wage because wealthy people want to maximize profits on assets (ie wealth inequality). Almost any problem you name I can tell you how it is linked to wealth inequality.