YouTuber Mark Rober has kicked the hornet's nest with his latest video. But are Tesla fanboys right mistakes were made?

In the piece — titled “Can You Fool a Self Driving Car?” — Rober found that a Tesla car on Autopilot was fooled by a Wile E. Coyote-style wall painted to look like the road ahead of it, with the electric vehicle plowing right through it instead of stopping.

The footage was damning enough, with slow-motion clips showing the car not only crashing through the styrofoam wall but also a mannequin of a child. The Tesla was also fooled by simulated rain and fog.

  • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.worldEnglish
    14·
    24 hours ago

    Any crash within 10s of a disengagement counts as it being on so you can’t just do this.

    Edit: added the time unit.

    Edit2: it’s actually 30s not 10s. See below.

    • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      1 day ago

      Where are you seeing that?

      There’s nothing I’m seeing as a matter of law or regulation.

      In any case liability (especially civil liability) is an absolute bitch. It’s incredibly messy and likely will not every be so cut and dry.

      • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        1 day ago

        Well it’s not that it was a crash caused by a level 2 system, but that they’ll investigate it.

        So you can’t hide the crash by disengaging it just before.

        Looks like it’s actually 30s seconds not 10s, or maybe it was 10s once upon a time and they changed it to 30?

        The General Order requires that reporting entities file incident reports for crashes involving ADS-equipped vehicles that occur on publicly accessible roads in the United States and its territories. Crashes involving an ADS-equipped vehicle are reportable if the ADS was in use at any time within 30 seconds of the crash and the crash resulted in property damage or injury

        https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2022-06/ADAS-L2-SGO-Report-June-2022.pdf

        • oatscoop@midwest.socialEnglish
          1·
          4 hours ago

          I get the impression it disengages so that Tesla can legally say “self driving wasn’t active when it crashed” to the media.

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
          5·
          23 hours ago

          Thanks for that.

          The thing is, though the NHTSA generally doesn’t make a determination on criminal or civil liability. They’ll make the report about what happened and keep it to the facts, and let the courts sort it out whose at fault. they might not even actually investigate a crash unless it comes to it. It’s just saying “when your car crashes, you need to tell us about it.” and they kinda assume they comply.

          Which, Tesla doesn’t want to comply, and is one of the reasons Musk/DOGE is going after them.

          • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            22 hours ago

            I knew they wouldn’t necessarily investigate it, that’s always their discretion, but I had no idea there was no actual bite to the rule if they didn’t comply. That’s stupid.

            • AA5B@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              8 hours ago

              Generally things like that are meant more to identify a pattern. It may not be useful to an individual, but very useful to determine a recall or support a class action