• Salvo@aussie.zone
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    2 days ago

    This is evidence that the US political system does not function.

    There are two paths forward;

    • Burn down the entire thing (which Trump and frenemies are currently doing).
    • rebuild and reform the existing system (which can happen by voters voting for progressive centralist candidates in local and state representatives en-mass (like in NYC).

    I would not call Zohran Mandani a socialist. I would call him a progressive rational centralist.

    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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      I would not call Zohran Mandani a socialist. I would call him a progressive rational centralist.

      I agree with you. We shouldn’t present it as “left politics”. We should present it as “politics for the people”. That way, it makes it compatible with more people.

      You wouldn’t believe how many americans have a deep fear of the word “left”. We should call it centrist instead, even if it is left.

      Maybe, let’s use the phrase “socialism is to listen to the heart of the people, and the heart sits in the center of people, so it’s centralist politics” or something.

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        wouldn’t believe how many americans have a deep fear of the word “left”. We should call it centrist instead, even if it is left

        Which is just dumb as hell

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        I strongly disageee. Historical experience of communists and socialists proves that hiding your actual views is a way to earn deep distrust from the people. Honesty, and a focus on the Mass Line, are what has brought the most unity and most success.

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      2 days ago

      The existing system cannot be fixed, it depends on imperialism and as such has hollowed out industrialization in favor of finance capital. Mamdani is a “boot of the neck” candidate, someone to show a bit of what’s possible with a properly run economy, but even electing progressives elsewhere can’t bring about socialism. Revolution is still necessary.

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        I’m in your space so it would be rude to call you pie eyed, but that’s some pipe dream, never good enough mentality. Do you scold a baby taking it’s first steps on its 5k time? No, you cheer them on.

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          I’m not denouncing Mamdani, just trying to align expectations and make it clear that revolution is still necessary in order to begin socialism. I’m cheering for Mamdani, fuck Cuomo. But revolution isn’t a pipe dream. Thinking that the system can be reformed from within is the pipe-dream. Mamdani plays a role in helping the proletariat become normalized towards socialism and may represent a decent change in a positive direction for New Yorkers, but his win isn’t a requirement for revolution, nor does it get rid of the need for it.