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  • NeilBrü@lemmy.world
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    22 hours ago

    What part of @[email protected]’s statement do you disagree with?

    In the last days of WW2, the Japanese military were getting children to make sharpened bamboo spears and training those children to attack American soldiers on sight. The elderly and women were told that they should kill themselves before potentially coming under American control.

    The Japanese civilian population had been indoctrinated into the belief that western soldiers were absolute monsters who would carry out unspeakable acts on them should they become prisoners (ironic considering the IJA/Ns actions during the conflict).

    In the battle of Saipan, hundreds of mothers leapt from cliffs with their babies in their arms to evade capture, men would slit their children’s throats and booby trapped the bodies to injure Americans and then themselves fought relentlessly, before mostly killing themselves or being killed to prevent capture.

    The level of blood shed at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was unprecedented but it did in fact save untold Japanese civilian and American soldiers’ lives.

    Crucially, even after the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima Japanese High Command still refused to surrender.

    The Allies had just fought the Battle of Okinawa, the bloodiest battle of the Pacific Theater.

    Have you ever even read any of the history of the proposed plan for the invasion of mainland Japan and the casualty estimates? How about the reasoning for opposing the Imperial Japanese Government?

    Or Is this your opportunity to virtue signal to people on the internet by implying Americans are murderous pigs and the jApAnEsE dId NoThInG wRoNg?

    • Jhex@lemmy.world
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      1 day ago

      Americans are murderous pigs and the jApAnEsE dId NoThInG wRoNg?

      how about: they are both murderous pigs?

      • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
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        1 day ago

        Just like Ukraine bOmBiNg CiViLiAn TaRgEtS in Russia amirite

        Both sides bad I is very smart

        (Of course America was bad, but not for bombing Imperial Japan)

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          23 hours ago

          Arguably fighting against Japan and Germany in WW2 is one of the only times the US used their military in a justifiable way. Fascism had to be stopped.

          The Japanese military expected to lose 20 million people in the very first battle of the invasion, and the Americans were considering using poison gas because the casualties of fighting it out in the streets would have been in the millions of troops. People don’t realize how dark it was in 1945, food shipments had all but ceased, Japan was entering a famine; if the war had dragged on through a land invasion it would have been cataclysmic.

      • NeilBrü@lemmy.world
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        22 hours ago

        Imperial Japan was far more murderous, in the context of the 2nd World War, which is what this thread is about.

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          22 hours ago

          sure, let’s dice and slice the context until the USA is always right

          • NeilBrü@lemmy.world
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            22 hours ago

            In the context of WW2, the United States was morally justified to oppose the Imperial Japanese Government.

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              22 hours ago

              to oppose, sure… to drop 2 nuclear bombs on civilians?? hmmm dunno

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                21 hours ago

                Knowing the necessity for the defeat of the Imperial Japanese government, the burgeoning country-wide famine, combined with the inevitable bloodbath of a mainland invasion, the Allies justified the use of nuclear weapons, the details of which you can read about in the articles I posted above. Nazi Germany and the USSR were also developing their own nuclear weapon systems. A demonstration was deemed necessary.

                I personally would not have authorized dropping the bombs on cities. Easy for me to say. But I certainly would have been living the rest of my days in despair at the mindless slaughter and ritual mass-suicide that would’ve ensued during the invasion of mainland Japan.

                I don’t envy the choices the Allies had to make while combatting Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan.

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                  20 hours ago

                  as opposed to just embargo the island now that all the axis had fallen?

                  no, America wanted the show of force

                  • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works
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                    13 hours ago

                    embargo is cowardly and it amount to practically doing nothing. There are people being murdered by the japanese military on my homeland. Both the CCP and KMT supported the US actions during WW2 regarding japan.