There’s no evidence for God period, so your “because” doesn’t support your statement. Of course you also don’t seem to understand basic logic. The lack of evidence never “proves” anything. The presence of evidence “may” prove things.
My man, following your logic this means that Buddhism is real because Siddhartha Gautama, Islam is real because the prophet Muhammad, and Mormonism is real because Joseph Smith’s lying ass. Just because a historical figure claims there’s a god does not mean that it’s actual evidence that a god exists.
Weigh it up. Mohammed was lying because he wanted more wives and political power. Joseph Smith was the same. Jesus got merked for his teachings and so did his followers for the first three hundred years.
Couldn’t Jesus have been lying for political power? That is what his fellow Jews and the Romans accused him of. Joseph Smith was “merked” and his followers persecuted for their faith, does that make their beliefs true?
You can’t selectively apply logic to your perspective alone. I’m not denying your beliefs, just the logic that you use to argue their validity.
The reason they call it faith is because it is something you believe in despite not being able to offer any proof. You have faith, not knowledge that what you believe is true. Imo that’s fine, but you can’t have faith in something and then force your beliefs on others, claim them to be definitive truth, or deny other people their own beliefs.
Interesting. None of that is evidence that God exists. Without a doubt, someone going by the name Jesus (or something like it lost in translation) existed. And a religion was founded based on him. Lots of things happened. People wrote down a lot of things. But those people all had a bias. The vast majority were trying to build a religion. So without a doubt, they embellished and picked the “witness” accounts that supported what they wanted to say.
As for the 3 famous figures mentioned at the start. The same is true. Historians often say that we don’t know the real truth, just what was written.
As for the new testament. It was created by commitee. They hand picked stories and such that created the picture they wanted to present. And plenty of religious historians have pointed out that Christianity borrowed concepts and stories that worked well from previous religions.
So all that proves is that a human being going by the name Jesus existed and had a very influential life. It proves nothing of God.
I see. Focusing on the least relevant thing I said to avoid the main point that you can’t contest. Thanks for confirming that.
As for the committee… how do you think the new testament came into being. Some person collected all the writing he liked and declared it the new testament. Then everyone else said sure… we would like to buy a copy…
By the time it came into being, the church was an organization with power. Such an organization always draws ambitious humans who crave that power and influence. The new testament was crafted to help grow that power and influence.
It is very likely in my opinion that Jesus never even claimed to be the son of god. Probably he was a very charismatic person who actually cared about the well being of people. And so he got popular with the people. Which is why he had to be killed. Then ambitious people leveraged him and his popularity to get what they wanted. Several other modern religions took a similar road.
Yes, I know what you were referring to, I know how nested comments work.
Now, what I was referring to was:
there’s no evidence for a god which acts like that
Now, you want to claim that God would not kill people for not going to church.
Cool, but even if he DID. It STILL wouldn’t be on the top 10 most fucked up things which HIS OWN BOOK says he did, or has plans to do. Not even including the moral imperative to kill whoever the fuck he wants because ‘he created them’ (what even is this argument…)
But i digress;
God gave you a son.
No, bro, I’m almost certain I was the one who got my partner pregnant.
My partner and I did make our son lol, ive got DNA evidence.
If you want to claim God gave me a son, then you’ll first have to convince me God exists.
God wouldn’t kill people for going to church. That’s what I said.
wouldn’t be on the top 10 most fucked up things which HIS OWN BOOK says he did,
Yeah because such a list would be empty
My partner and I did make our son lol, ive got DNA evidence.
So you drew out the schematics? decided what hair to put where? Pieced each bone into it’s place? Set the colour of his eyes? Drew out his fingerprints? Laid down each muscle and wired each nerve?
Can you do that?
Can you be convinced? What evidence would you expect to have to convince you? Some people cannot be convinced that the earth is round, that climate change is real, evolution is a real observable process of nature or that vaccines are safe and effective.
Empty? You’ve clearly never read your own book. Here’s just a taste:
The Flood – God drowns almost every human, animal, and child on Earth (Genesis 7).
The Plagues of Egypt – including killing the firstborn of every Egyptian family (Exodus 12:29).
Ordering Genocide – wiping out the Amalekites, including infants and animals (1 Samuel 15:3).
Lot’s Wife – turned to salt for the crime of looking back (Genesis 19:26).
Killing Kids for Mockery – sending bears to maul 42 children for calling Elisha “baldy” (2 Kings 2:23-24).
Hardening Pharaoh’s Heart – deliberately making him resist so God could “show His power” by killing more people (Exodus 9:12).
Jephthah’s Daughter – forced human sacrifice of his own child to fulfill a vow to God (Judges 11:30-39).
David’s Census Punishment – God slaughters 70,000 Israelites because David counted them (2 Samuel 24:15).
Job’s Torture – God lets Satan kill Job’s children and ruin his life as part of a bet (Job 1-2).
Eternal Hellfire – condemning billions of people to infinite torture for finite “sins” (Matthew 25:46).
So you drew out the schematics? decided what hair to put where?
No, and neither did God. That’s the point. I provided DNA, biology did the rest. By your logic, I didn’t “make dinner” unless I forged the cutlery and mined the iron for the stove. Dumb standard.
Can you do that?
Can God? Unless you can prove he exists, you’re just putting a holy sticker on a process we understand down to the molecule.
Some people cannot be convinced…
Yeah, flat earthers, climate deniers, anti-vaxxers… and theists.
Here’s the thing though, if I cannot be convinced, whose fault is that?
Because I don’t believe in god that means I’ll go to hell, right?
Why is it that the benchmark for being accepted into heaven is throwing away epistemic and logical foundations?
Why is it fair to throw me to down to hell because those specific qualities are universally valuable EXCEPT for when we use them to evaluate whether its reasonable to believe in God without evidence?
Doesn’t God know the future? Doesn’t God know that every condition that led me to this moment would cause me to reject any answer you’ve got for me?
Doesn’t that mean he set me up to fail?
That is REALLY fucking stupid. Like, literally, definitionally stupid.
Everything you’ve listed are instances of God punishing evil. Are you suggesting God should let Hitler reign free in heaven without punishment? If that’s the casewould you then complain that God isn’t punishing evil? In many cases, you find instances of Atheists both complaining that evil currently exists, and then gets mad when it is punished! What a contradiction.
I provided DNA, biology did the rest
Where did DNA come from? Who made biology?
You made dinner with your creativity. You designed it. Is it cruel to the dinner that you will eat it and boil it in your stomach acid?
Unless you can prove he exists
One can prove, but if you’re unwilling to accept proof, then that’s a different story.
on a process we understand down to the molecule.
Who designed that process? And do we really understand it? Atheists cannot even answer at what point human life begins.
Then that god stops existing because there’s no evidence for a god which acts like that
There’s no evidence for God period, so your “because” doesn’t support your statement. Of course you also don’t seem to understand basic logic. The lack of evidence never “proves” anything. The presence of evidence “may” prove things.
There is no evidence for the god you believe in, you are correct.
Can’t tell if terrible troll or actual moron
¿Por qué no los dos?
Do sure the evidence for the god you believe in.
https://youtu.be/vQKxoBpV2NE
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TW70EEo4e2onJ4lq1QYSzrY
My man, following your logic this means that Buddhism is real because Siddhartha Gautama, Islam is real because the prophet Muhammad, and Mormonism is real because Joseph Smith’s lying ass. Just because a historical figure claims there’s a god does not mean that it’s actual evidence that a god exists.
Weigh it up. Mohammed was lying because he wanted more wives and political power. Joseph Smith was the same. Jesus got merked for his teachings and so did his followers for the first three hundred years.
Couldn’t Jesus have been lying for political power? That is what his fellow Jews and the Romans accused him of. Joseph Smith was “merked” and his followers persecuted for their faith, does that make their beliefs true?
You can’t selectively apply logic to your perspective alone. I’m not denying your beliefs, just the logic that you use to argue their validity.
The reason they call it faith is because it is something you believe in despite not being able to offer any proof. You have faith, not knowledge that what you believe is true. Imo that’s fine, but you can’t have faith in something and then force your beliefs on others, claim them to be definitive truth, or deny other people their own beliefs.
Interesting. None of that is evidence that God exists. Without a doubt, someone going by the name Jesus (or something like it lost in translation) existed. And a religion was founded based on him. Lots of things happened. People wrote down a lot of things. But those people all had a bias. The vast majority were trying to build a religion. So without a doubt, they embellished and picked the “witness” accounts that supported what they wanted to say.
As for the 3 famous figures mentioned at the start. The same is true. Historians often say that we don’t know the real truth, just what was written.
As for the new testament. It was created by commitee. They hand picked stories and such that created the picture they wanted to present. And plenty of religious historians have pointed out that Christianity borrowed concepts and stories that worked well from previous religions.
So all that proves is that a human being going by the name Jesus existed and had a very influential life. It proves nothing of God.
What committee?
I see. Focusing on the least relevant thing I said to avoid the main point that you can’t contest. Thanks for confirming that.
As for the committee… how do you think the new testament came into being. Some person collected all the writing he liked and declared it the new testament. Then everyone else said sure… we would like to buy a copy…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_New_Testament_canon
By the time it came into being, the church was an organization with power. Such an organization always draws ambitious humans who crave that power and influence. The new testament was crafted to help grow that power and influence.
It is very likely in my opinion that Jesus never even claimed to be the son of god. Probably he was a very charismatic person who actually cared about the well being of people. And so he got popular with the people. Which is why he had to be killed. Then ambitious people leveraged him and his popularity to get what they wanted. Several other modern religions took a similar road.
Plenty of evidence for god killing whoever the fuck he wants because he feels like it.
Source: the bible
Okay, and? God creates, He can destroy what He made as well.
You moved the goalposts lol.
You said “there’s no basis for that” I countered with “yes there is” You countered “so”
So, you’re wrong. Also,
My partner and I made our son.
We now have a moral basis for killing him whenever we feel like it.
No, you’re not reading the whole message. What I was referring to was “you should stop wasting time in church and just be a good person”
No you didn’t. God gave you a son.
Yes, I know what you were referring to, I know how nested comments work.
Now, what I was referring to was:
Now, you want to claim that God would not kill people for not going to church.
Cool, but even if he DID. It STILL wouldn’t be on the top 10 most fucked up things which HIS OWN BOOK says he did, or has plans to do. Not even including the moral imperative to kill whoever the fuck he wants because ‘he created them’ (what even is this argument…)
But i digress;
No, bro, I’m almost certain I was the one who got my partner pregnant.
My partner and I did make our son lol, ive got DNA evidence.
If you want to claim God gave me a son, then you’ll first have to convince me God exists.
Can you do that?
God wouldn’t kill people for going to church. That’s what I said.
Yeah because such a list would be empty
So you drew out the schematics? decided what hair to put where? Pieced each bone into it’s place? Set the colour of his eyes? Drew out his fingerprints? Laid down each muscle and wired each nerve?
Can you be convinced? What evidence would you expect to have to convince you? Some people cannot be convinced that the earth is round, that climate change is real, evolution is a real observable process of nature or that vaccines are safe and effective.
Empty? You’ve clearly never read your own book. Here’s just a taste:
The Flood – God drowns almost every human, animal, and child on Earth (Genesis 7).
The Plagues of Egypt – including killing the firstborn of every Egyptian family (Exodus 12:29).
Ordering Genocide – wiping out the Amalekites, including infants and animals (1 Samuel 15:3).
Lot’s Wife – turned to salt for the crime of looking back (Genesis 19:26).
Killing Kids for Mockery – sending bears to maul 42 children for calling Elisha “baldy” (2 Kings 2:23-24).
Hardening Pharaoh’s Heart – deliberately making him resist so God could “show His power” by killing more people (Exodus 9:12).
Jephthah’s Daughter – forced human sacrifice of his own child to fulfill a vow to God (Judges 11:30-39).
David’s Census Punishment – God slaughters 70,000 Israelites because David counted them (2 Samuel 24:15).
Job’s Torture – God lets Satan kill Job’s children and ruin his life as part of a bet (Job 1-2).
Eternal Hellfire – condemning billions of people to infinite torture for finite “sins” (Matthew 25:46).
No, and neither did God. That’s the point. I provided DNA, biology did the rest. By your logic, I didn’t “make dinner” unless I forged the cutlery and mined the iron for the stove. Dumb standard.
Can God? Unless you can prove he exists, you’re just putting a holy sticker on a process we understand down to the molecule.
Yeah, flat earthers, climate deniers, anti-vaxxers… and theists.
Here’s the thing though, if I cannot be convinced, whose fault is that?
Because I don’t believe in god that means I’ll go to hell, right?
Why is it that the benchmark for being accepted into heaven is throwing away epistemic and logical foundations?
Why is it fair to throw me to down to hell because those specific qualities are universally valuable EXCEPT for when we use them to evaluate whether its reasonable to believe in God without evidence?
Doesn’t God know the future? Doesn’t God know that every condition that led me to this moment would cause me to reject any answer you’ve got for me?
Doesn’t that mean he set me up to fail?
That is REALLY fucking stupid. Like, literally, definitionally stupid.
Everything you’ve listed are instances of God punishing evil. Are you suggesting God should let Hitler reign free in heaven without punishment? If that’s the casewould you then complain that God isn’t punishing evil? In many cases, you find instances of Atheists both complaining that evil currently exists, and then gets mad when it is punished! What a contradiction.
Where did DNA come from? Who made biology?
You made dinner with your creativity. You designed it. Is it cruel to the dinner that you will eat it and boil it in your stomach acid?
One can prove, but if you’re unwilling to accept proof, then that’s a different story.
Who designed that process? And do we really understand it? Atheists cannot even answer at what point human life begins.