• Cassanderer@thelemmy.club
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      21 hours ago

      There are not. Only accounts pretending to be left to mislead leftists. I was wondering whether it was worth the trouble explaining this to the preceding commenter or not.

      Believe it or not, George Soros does not employ bot farms. The United States and Israel do, Russia does, a myriad of financial interests do, political groups. I don’t think there is a single left-wing anything that does.

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        19 hours ago

        To be clear there are far-left bots, they are just funded by far-right organizations and used to stir shit

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          18 hours ago

          Far-right false flag bots and far-left bots aren’t the same thing. They aren’t promoting leftist positions; they’re promoting a caricatured strawman of leftist positions.

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          19 hours ago

          Ha ha, I know, They’re not working for the left wing or four causes, they are looking to as you say stir up shit, make left-wing people look bad, and often to reduce turnout, which is an all too easy sell given how much the Democrats suck

          You could replace Democrats with the left Center option of almost any Western Country here. They will all fall like dominoes if we do not get a viable reform alternative. Don’t fool yourselves, Russia and the United States will be helping behind the scenes to get their own right-wing hacks in to put a permanent fix in on elections just as they’re planning on doing here. A fix on elections, on the media, preventing any criticism, there is no bottom to this.

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            18 hours ago

            The best way to get a viable reform off the ground is by promoting an alternative voting system. As it stands, the current system in the US creates two-party system.

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              18 hours ago

              In the United States voting is done at the state level. As such this is something many of us are working on, many of us have voters sponsored ballot initiatives where enough votes can get an issue on a ballot for an up or down vote, it is how we legalize marijuana. Anyway we have one of those coming up here in Michigan and other states for ranked Choice voting.

              The United States is a shit show though, too little too late I fear.

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                18 hours ago

                I hope it will matter; I agree, this is something that should have happened decades ago really.

                I believe it is still worth pursuing on the off chance that the right somehow fumbles their plans again like they did in 2020.

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                  18 hours ago

                  I actually think we could take the country in 2028 if we organized. Outside of traditional social media, maybe on some new Federated social media not run by douchebags which may or may not control many of these forums. With a slate of populist candidates offering real reform, a new deal, we could trounce whomever is going to replace the president in the next election. But after that? The fix will be in completely. The fix is already in in many ways but we could still overcome it with an overwhelmingly popular mandate. Not with Gavin newsom.

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        I’m still sceptical. I mean, I’m not on twitter/FB/Instagram, but I find it hard to believe there’s much in the way of “leftism” (organic or not) represented there. I also do think there are probably “centrist” bots as well. There’s definitely paid “centrist” influencers.

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        18 hours ago

        It’s not America funding the left leaning ones; China and Russia are a couple countries funding the far-leftist bots I believe. Although probably more the former than the latter.

        They’re mostly on TikTok and Reddit, although I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some on Lemmy.

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      18 hours ago

      Reddit and TikTok mostly; the Gen Z sub had quite a number popping up a few months before the 2024 election for instance.

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          Pretty popular at the time, as posts were getting tens of thousands of upvotes. So the view-to-vote ratio must have been fairly high. The thing was, the bots everywhere. They were in every thread and were in subs that were not specifically centered on politics. By no means was every bot was a left-wing bot, mind you, as most were right-wing bots. However, there was a notable style of commenting from the bots.

          The Gen Z sub tanked in its popularity over the month after the election as well, especially given so many right-wing bots absolutely polluted the sub at that time. Shit was so toxic to be around.

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            I was off of reddit well before then. I never spent any time in the gen z sub, but was there when CTH got banned.