• blave@lemmy.world
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      6 hours ago

      you think people who own guns should be allowed to “do whatever they want” with them?

      how many mass shootings do we already have each week?

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          5 hours ago

          but the law is the law: just because you own something doesn’t mean you can do whatever you want with it.

          it’s illegal to kill someone with a smartphone, too

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            Except we aren’t talking about the law. We are talking about corporations that sell you something and then retain control over it.

            You have no say in the process, you have no representation. These are not rules that we as a society have determined to be in the best interests of all of us. These are unilateral decisions placed upon us. You have no recourse if you disagree other than don’t use the thing.

            Guns don’t prevent you from doing anything. You still have the capability to do whatever you want with the thing. However, if you use it in a manner than harms someone else, in a way that we as a society have proposed, voted, and created laws prohibiting, then you deal with the consequences. But that is very different from having something in the gun that prevents it from taking ammo from another manufacturer. Or making it unable to shoot unless you pay a monthly fee.

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              4 hours ago

              Except we aren’t talking about the law.

              of course we are. in a society, we live by laws which govern our behavior.

              regardless of whether you can accept that, it’s the facts.

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                No. We weren’t. This discussion was about phones and the software we are being allowed to install on them.

                The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity. The restrictions are imposed by the manufacturer of the phone.

                You made the fallacious false equivalency of comparing that with guns and laws.

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                  1 hour ago

                  The law does nothing to restrict us in that capacity.

                  there are countless laws which govern specifically how you use software and hardware. it’s hilarious you thought you could just spout such a plain and obvious lie, lol

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                2 hours ago

                What makes you think the ICEBlock app removal is about the law or following the law?

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                The guy you’re replying to celebrated the political assassination of Charlie Kirk, so I wouldn’t bother If I was you.

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          no, they can’t, which is why they don’t just walk out free and clear after the massacre.

          lol

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            If they couldn’t, then they wouldn’t, but they obviously can, because they do. This is not complicated.

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              except that doesn’t happen.

              but, go on. post some link to a news article where some school shooter just walked away free afterwards.

              go on…

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                I feel like I am feeding a troll, but let me break this down:

                If you have a gun, you can point it at anything and pull the trigger, you don’t need the permission of the manufacturer to do so.

                Not with a phone, you CAN’T load any software you want into your phone.

                That’s the difference, you can do whatever you want with a gun, and if you mess up, you go to jail. You can’t do whatever you want with your phone, only what the corp.s (apple) allow you to.

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                  You explain this as if makes. Difference.

                  It doesn’t.

                  “Ownership“ does not mean you can “do whatever you want“.

                  Since I’m not capable of convincing you of this, here’s the dictionary definition and proof that you are wrong.

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                …you just said it did. That was the initiation of this entire conversation.

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                  if that’s what you think I said, then you should improve your reading comprehension.

                  still waiting on that evidence to back up your claim, though-- you know, other than you not understanding what I said.