• 0x1C3B00DA@fedia.io
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    4 days ago

    Expecting all devs to test their sites with screen readers is unrealistic.

    I disagree with this but its not what we’re talking about. You said output is useless and I’m saying its obviously not. There’s zero cost to using it instead of a div so the only reason not to use it is to purposefully screw users who need accessibility features.

    All those other elements give some benefit apart from accessibility

    Maybe for label but p and h1 - h6 only differ from div in styles, which is another argument in my favor. If you’re willing to swap a div for one of those for visual users, swapping a div for output should be just as easy of a change.

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      4 days ago

      You said output is useless

      No I said it’s not very useful.

      There’s zero cost to using it instead of a div so the only reason not to use it is to purposefully screw users who need accessibility features.

      No, the main reason is because people don’t know about it, because it’s an extra thing to remember for little benefit. Same reason other semantic-only tags like article get very little use.

      only differ from div in styles

      Err yeah the “only” do a really useful thing that lots of people want.

      If output came with some nice styling and maybe animations… maybe a built in copy-to-clipboard option… then people would have used it.

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        3 days ago

        the main reason is because people don’t know about it

        But you know about it now and you’re still arguing against it.

        it’s an extra thing to remember for little benefit the “only” do a really useful thing that lots of people want.

        The benefit you see in those tags is the same level of benefit that users who use accessibility features get from output and other semantic tags. But your argument seems to boil down to “I dont need accessibility features so i don’t care about enabling them for ppl who do”. That’s very disappointing and continuing this debate seems pointless so i’m gonna stop here