• finitebanjo@piefed.world
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    18 hours ago

    Theres no alternative, though. Whether you’re ruled over by a capitalist oligarchy or an authoritarian autocracy, the results are all the same.

    The only way forward is to promote an educated class of people to succeed in democracy.

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      16 hours ago

      Whether you’re ruled over by a capitalist oligarchy or an authoritarian autocracy

      Are those really the only two options?

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        15 hours ago

        The other option was the second line. Apparently you didn’t make it that far in.

        The only way forward is to promote an educated class of people to succeed in democracy.

        The point I am getting at is that removing capitalism doesn’t solve the problem. We’ve tried it before.

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        17 hours ago

        I’m sure that will go well for about 10 seconds before somebody uses force to seize power.

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          14 hours ago

          The means of production include the means to defend your community.

          State power exists because of a monopoly on violence. Capitalism is a fine term to use since property rights are propped up by the violence of the state. The end game of capitalism is a monopoly on the means of production by an entitled few enshrined in property rights.

          Amarchy means an end to domination by hierarchical power such as that foundational to capitalism. Instead people will organize horizontally power in collective communities. Keep your gun, toothbrush and fight for your community when domination is imposed. Better to live 10 seconds on your feet under anarchy than to live a lifetime in bondage under capitalism.

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            14 hours ago

            State power exists because of a monopoly on violence.

            Making violence free and open for all has certainly always been beneficial in the past. /s

            States are a largescale collection of people. The exclusivity of and participation in the state varies from one to the next, but they exist as a means for people to protect their very large community.

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      18 hours ago

      Now what a specific understanding of how politics works, one that just so happens to make the hegemony we live under fated to be, natural even. I wonder how you came to accept a worldview that is so beneficial to the hierarchy you were born under, socialized by, and apparently uncritically consume the media of.

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          17 hours ago

          Okay I know I’ve been very sarcastic with you so far so I’ll be clear. You do not know what you are talking about. You’re just another arrogant asshole who thinks they’re imbued with answers just because you don’t challenge yourself to think differently.

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            17 hours ago

            Last time I checked the rich HATE paying taxes, they HATE people voting for fairer labor laws, they HATE being told they can’t use illegal means to produce goods, and they HATE having to pay for regulatory bodies making sure their products are safe and efficient.

            Democracy is the enemy of the rich.

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              17 hours ago

              You seriously just got all of your history from reddit and twitter eh. A fundamental element in neoliberalism is corporate welfare dude, your misunderstanding of politics as simple “I like this” or “I do not like this” is incompatible with even the concept of appropriation as it depends on a world where interests are as pure as ideals. I’m sorry but the world is more complex than your funny memes online where fixing the world is as simple as thinking the right thing.

              I will not be paying attention to you again, I will not even read your response. If you’re interested in actually learning, feel free to dm and get a reading list and nothing more.

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                17 hours ago

                Bro forgot we were talking about Capitalism and started ranting about the evils of human rights advocacy.