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    17 hours ago

    The republicans have a strong enough, brainwashed base that will vote for them come hell or high water. Around 35% of people who will vote are seriously engaged on their side and will do whatever they need to vote for them. That’s a pretty strong hurdle to overcome

    The democrats also have a contingent of Better Blue than Red and will vote for them no matter what.

    The largest party next in line would be the Green party, and honestly, they’re barely trying. I mean the head of the party has investments in Fossil Fuel companies supporting fracking. AOC rightfully critisized them for a lack of organiztional development. It’s just this mess of funding going in and our for visibility and the dilution of the “not republican” vote.

    So voting for a third party, at best, lets the republicans continue their destruction of the country and sends a message to the democrats that we’re tired of their crap, which has happened twice now with zero changes.

    If you want us to vote for 3rd party, you need to deliver us a 3rd party with enough leadership to campaign and win it.

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      17 hours ago

      So voting for a third party, at best, lets the republicans continue their destruction of the country and sends a message to the democrats that we’re tired of their crap, which has happened twice now with zero changes

      the democrats and republicans are 2 extremes of this same pro-late stage capitalist status quo system so expecting anything to change by vacillating between them is an unrealistic non-starter.

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        17 hours ago

        s are 2 extremes of this same pro-late stage capitalist status quo system so expecting anything to change by vacillating between them is an unrealistic non-starter.

        I don’t disagree, but voting for a 3rd in a tw- party race will also be a useless non-starter.

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          17 hours ago

          history has given us several examples of this happening; with mexico being the most recent one and in our lifetimes.

          those examples prove over and over again that it’s the self-reinforcing propaganda that keeps us back, not two-party; spoiler-vote; fptp; electoral-college; etc. nonsense.

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      17 hours ago

      For nationwide elections I agree there isn’t much of a choice, but I’d argue voting third party outside of swing states is still good to express dissatisfaction, and third parties and independents can still win in local elections.

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        14 hours ago

        but I’d argue voting third party outside of swing states

        absolutely, and i’m a fan of this, let’s get congress full of third, as long as it’s not libretarian third :)