Ohhh, Universal Monk slandered me again. No, an obvious exaggeration about instance-owners escalating their discouragement against Lemmy’s most block-evading troll is not somehow an endorsement of crimes, you adorable little dingus. You adorable vote-manipulating sockpuppet, if we glance at your own modlog and pretend that’s infallible.
So your whole ‘we know you’ schtick is just one guy clutching pearls about me saying what an asshole he is, huh? That’s disappointing. When I argue with sugar_in_your_tea, there’s notes. In our previous interaction he kinda defended actual Nazi newspapers, and I’ll give the benefit of context and nuance, but that shit’s coming up again. You play a weak game if you wanna come out accusing someone of murder fantasies and gangstalking, and your whole basis is - ‘but a tankie said so!’
Meanwhile, you’ve done less than nothing to distnguish yourself from any other conservative. You want to label me, and pretend that’s a substitute for any form of counterargument. Like. The whole accusation was, y’all just sneer at outsiders based on this ideology-as-identity, and reach for excuses to justify that kneejerk conclusion.
And your rebuttal was to do that three times in a row.
I don’t know who the sugar tea monk guy is, but by the sound of your rant, you’re proving my point. I don’t even know where your nazi newspapers example is coming from, or what you’re talking about. I’m not even talking about newspaper?! What?!
We’re talking about you being a jerk and now you are talking about how you read nazi newspapers?! WTF?!
Is your reply meant for me or for someone else?! You sound like you are having an entirely different conversation than what we were talking about.
I knew you were a jerk, but I didn’t know you were a nazi. You read nazi newspapers and brag about it. Fits your presonality, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. Of course you are a nazi. Have you ever heard of the nazi bar? You’re who they talk about. I bet u worship Trump too. Eww, I don’t deal with fascists. Yuck, go away.
I don’t think I was wrong. My beliefs haven’t changed, and I stand by everything I said. My opinion of you hasn’t changed whatsoever. But I also recognize that this isn’t my community, so I will abide by the rules. But nah, fam, nothing has changed on my end. :)
I kinda did though, but I do think they’re misrepresenting it. It was in a different thread in a different context. I honestly didn’t recognize the user was the same because I don’t keep track of usernames unless they’re an obvious troll.
I was arguing for a “wait and see” approach to federation saying we don’t have enough evidence to say maga.place is bad enough to defederate. The evidence presented was the domain name (90% seemed to stop there) and posts in their conservative community using sketchy sources and nothing about their admins or mods.
The discussion shifted to the sources themselves, and they asked whether I’d support a ban on “Der Sturmer” (Nazi publication prior to WWII) and I said no, but I wouldn’t read it because I don’t like obvious propaganda. I don’t believe in banning any media and instead think good media should crowd out the bad. I’d say the same for any extremist propaganda because freedom of speech is very important to me.
I think it was meant as a gotcha question, since that seems to be how that user argues. I absolutely don’t read or support any Nazi anything, but I will defend their right to publish just as I would for anything else I disagree with.
Disinformation is not erased by correction. Brains don’t work that way. Reactionary radicalization must be prevented, because curing it is a thousand times harder. This is protecting people from harm through speech, as much as censoring directed threats or bigoted abuse. Polite phrasing on intolerable beliefs is just mobster speak: ‘it would be a shame if anything happened to your children.’
I think it was meant as a gotcha question
It was meant as a universal touchstone. Surely, I thought, everybody recognizes literal nazi propaganda should have been stopped, at some point. But no: that obvious extreme was met with milquetoast ‘well I wouldn’t read it.’ Neither did the Jews, buddy. Didn’t help. Systemic problems aren’t about you.
By the by, calling pointed questions “gotchas” is also a conservative tactic. I opened gently with acknowledgement that at one point the nazi party was just some schmucks. But not only did you suggest the problem with pro-holocaust propaganda was sourcing, you outright invited modern fascists to the table, so long as their racism is scientific racism. You can’t wedge yourself under a low bar and claim it was a trap.
Ohhh, Universal Monk slandered me again. No, an obvious exaggeration about instance-owners escalating their discouragement against Lemmy’s most block-evading troll is not somehow an endorsement of crimes, you adorable little dingus. You adorable vote-manipulating sockpuppet, if we glance at your own modlog and pretend that’s infallible.
So your whole ‘we know you’ schtick is just one guy clutching pearls about me saying what an asshole he is, huh? That’s disappointing. When I argue with sugar_in_your_tea, there’s notes. In our previous interaction he kinda defended actual Nazi newspapers, and I’ll give the benefit of context and nuance, but that shit’s coming up again. You play a weak game if you wanna come out accusing someone of murder fantasies and gangstalking, and your whole basis is - ‘but a tankie said so!’
Meanwhile, you’ve done less than nothing to distnguish yourself from any other conservative. You want to label me, and pretend that’s a substitute for any form of counterargument. Like. The whole accusation was, y’all just sneer at outsiders based on this ideology-as-identity, and reach for excuses to justify that kneejerk conclusion.
And your rebuttal was to do that three times in a row.
I don’t know who the sugar tea monk guy is, but by the sound of your rant, you’re proving my point. I don’t even know where your nazi newspapers example is coming from, or what you’re talking about. I’m not even talking about newspaper?! What?!
We’re talking about you being a jerk and now you are talking about how you read nazi newspapers?! WTF?!
Is your reply meant for me or for someone else?! You sound like you are having an entirely different conversation than what we were talking about.
I knew you were a jerk, but I didn’t know you were a nazi. You read nazi newspapers and brag about it. Fits your presonality, so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. Of course you are a nazi. Have you ever heard of the nazi bar? You’re who they talk about. I bet u worship Trump too. Eww, I don’t deal with fascists. Yuck, go away.
They’re an odd sort of troll.
Could you please cool it? We really don’t need these kinds of personal attacks.
I disagree with this person too, but that doesn’t make it okay to slander them. Attack arguments, not people.
Understood. But when he said that about your conversation with him, I got annoyed, because you’ve never defended any Nazi newspapers.
But you’re right, no need to stoop to their level.
My level being an accurate reference to specific events I’m prepared to source.
When you recognize you were wrong, your beliefs are supposed to change.
I don’t think I was wrong. My beliefs haven’t changed, and I stand by everything I said. My opinion of you hasn’t changed whatsoever. But I also recognize that this isn’t my community, so I will abide by the rules. But nah, fam, nothing has changed on my end. :)
The person in question told you I was right, and you agree with them, but still pretend I’m wrong.
Which is different from the ingroup-based reality I described… somehow.
I think you are misrepresenting his response, which is something you are prone to do. In fact, he said, “but I do think they’re misrepresenting it.”
I won’t give my real thoughts on you, as I don’t want to go against the rules of the person who runs this community.
Again, I stand by everything I said. My opinion about you hasn’t change at all. :)
‘He kinda did.’
‘I kinda did.’
Troll.
I kinda did though, but I do think they’re misrepresenting it. It was in a different thread in a different context. I honestly didn’t recognize the user was the same because I don’t keep track of usernames unless they’re an obvious troll.
Here’s the discussion.
I was arguing for a “wait and see” approach to federation saying we don’t have enough evidence to say maga.place is bad enough to defederate. The evidence presented was the domain name (90% seemed to stop there) and posts in their conservative community using sketchy sources and nothing about their admins or mods.
The discussion shifted to the sources themselves, and they asked whether I’d support a ban on “Der Sturmer” (Nazi publication prior to WWII) and I said no, but I wouldn’t read it because I don’t like obvious propaganda. I don’t believe in banning any media and instead think good media should crowd out the bad. I’d say the same for any extremist propaganda because freedom of speech is very important to me.
I think it was meant as a gotcha question, since that seems to be how that user argues. I absolutely don’t read or support any Nazi anything, but I will defend their right to publish just as I would for anything else I disagree with.
Does should mean will?
Disinformation is not erased by correction. Brains don’t work that way. Reactionary radicalization must be prevented, because curing it is a thousand times harder. This is protecting people from harm through speech, as much as censoring directed threats or bigoted abuse. Polite phrasing on intolerable beliefs is just mobster speak: ‘it would be a shame if anything happened to your children.’
It was meant as a universal touchstone. Surely, I thought, everybody recognizes literal nazi propaganda should have been stopped, at some point. But no: that obvious extreme was met with milquetoast ‘well I wouldn’t read it.’ Neither did the Jews, buddy. Didn’t help. Systemic problems aren’t about you.
By the by, calling pointed questions “gotchas” is also a conservative tactic. I opened gently with acknowledgement that at one point the nazi party was just some schmucks. But not only did you suggest the problem with pro-holocaust propaganda was sourcing, you outright invited modern fascists to the table, so long as their racism is scientific racism. You can’t wedge yourself under a low bar and claim it was a trap.
Word salad.
Good day.
I’m not gonna take anything you say seriously. And you are against third parties. So nah, fam. We ain’t gonna be friends.
You are functionally illiterate.
This is true most days, so yeah, I can cop to that! :)