capitalism, or at least the flavour we enjoy in “the west”, needs continued increases in profit and growth or baby Jesus will cry or something.
The easiest way to do that is by increasing population. Most of the countries that have actually benefited from capitalism over the last 80 years are now seeing declining populations (or at least working populations) as the desperation to funnel wealth upwards makes the idea of starting a family unpalatable.
This is why “wealthy” capitalist counties are all importing migrants at unprecedented rates. However this upsets the nationalism that goes hand in hand with exploitative capitalism as they don’t want to “lose their country” to the very people propping it up.
Not really. Without the need for upward trending squiggly lines to justify CEO’s next pay increase or predatory institutions looking to buy up any business that doesn’t show growth every quarter and break it up for parts companies can quite easily scale back when demand shrinks.
It’s unthinkable to us because we pray at the alter of the shareholder but there are millions of small businesses that maintain steady profitability (with little growth) over the life of the owner. Or are even scaled back when needed (market issues, owner lifestyle changes) and then scaled up again when it is desirable.
A business that is allowed to have other goals other than increased profit growth no matter what can provide jobs, goods and still a regular profit in all types of markets. If the population shrinks then the company shrinks. And why shouldn’t it? There are less people to sell too and less people looking for employment.
I think the connection they’re going for is this is the kind of hair brained distopian bullshit that eventually comes trying to achieve "infinite growth"in a finite world.
I think the implication is that in a socialist/communist utopia there would be no need for continual growth. their only goals would be to make their populations comfortable and I guess further the arts/technology.
Obviously one or two non capitalist countries need to try and grow at the same rate as their capitalist neighbours so they can try and fend off the “democracy” that capitalist countries so often like to bestow on non-capitalist and/or oilfield owning countries.
How those types of societies would operate when not trying to compete with aggressive capitalism is unknown. No doubt human nature would take its course and we’d be back here in 50 years or so.
In the meanwhile things are getting consistently shittier under capitalism and someone has suggested using brain dead woman as incubators to combat the collapse we’re looking at now that there are no new countries to exploit.
Why do you think we’re so desperate to get to space now? Capitalism needs growth.
You can support that system or you can try to work for a new one.
The new one, as it exists right now, looks pretty horrid too. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to hear this story from the supposedly socialist China.
And I don’t think some loon suggesting this means much. Anyone can suggest anything. This made news because of how horrible the suggestion was and how outraged people got over it.
Supposedly socialist is exactly right, but we’re not here to split hairs about the exact name of the ideal governing/economic style.
In a very dumbed down way socialism/communism is meant to value the goals of the many over the few and capitalism is touted as the bastion for individual freedom. But there is no end to individuals getting royally fucked, often in legal and yet unfair ways in capitalistic countries all for the sake of a few percentage points on a quarterly report.
Most people who are capitalism detractors don’t want follow in china or Russia’s footsteps. We just want a system that values people more than money.
It’s just that there’s doubts if we’ll ever get closer to that socialist utopia than what we’ve seen so far. I hope we do but so far it hasn’t gone well
I can see China inducing comas in Uyghur women and forcing them to be incubators for the billionaires in the Chinese Capitalist Party who don’t want to deal with pregnancy.
If the Chinese do it is double plus ungood but if the west does it, it is by definition, double plus good. Thank you fellow pleb for teaching me this understanding. I’m double plus looking forward to the 2 minutes of hate this morning.
I personally use it to highlight issues on China. It seems to me that, like the Conservative/Liberal Party divide, the The West/China divide is more a “it’s good if my side does it but bad when my opponent does it”.
Use of Newspeak high lights this obserdity by replacing good with good and bad with ungood (i.e. not-good or opposite of good)
I’m not sure how this has to do with capitalism
capitalism, or at least the flavour we enjoy in “the west”, needs continued increases in profit and growth or baby Jesus will cry or something.
The easiest way to do that is by increasing population. Most of the countries that have actually benefited from capitalism over the last 80 years are now seeing declining populations (or at least working populations) as the desperation to funnel wealth upwards makes the idea of starting a family unpalatable.
This is why “wealthy” capitalist counties are all importing migrants at unprecedented rates. However this upsets the nationalism that goes hand in hand with exploitative capitalism as they don’t want to “lose their country” to the very people propping it up.
The next logical step is brain dead baby makers.
“The next logical step is brain dead baby makers”
I thought those were conservatives
Don’t you bring baby Jesus into this. 8 pound 4 oz Jesus has nothing to do with this.
It’s a weak joke. They should have mentioned selling the womb, which is definitely not implied. Low effort tankie bs
And what do you think socialism relies on? Same goes for Communism. None of them exist without a reliably replenishing population.
Not really. Without the need for upward trending squiggly lines to justify CEO’s next pay increase or predatory institutions looking to buy up any business that doesn’t show growth every quarter and break it up for parts companies can quite easily scale back when demand shrinks.
It’s unthinkable to us because we pray at the alter of the shareholder but there are millions of small businesses that maintain steady profitability (with little growth) over the life of the owner. Or are even scaled back when needed (market issues, owner lifestyle changes) and then scaled up again when it is desirable.
A business that is allowed to have other goals other than increased profit growth no matter what can provide jobs, goods and still a regular profit in all types of markets. If the population shrinks then the company shrinks. And why shouldn’t it? There are less people to sell too and less people looking for employment.
Are you fucking high?
Because I’m tripping on three solid hits of acid and 300mg of THC trying to be as baroquely fucking stupid as that statement.
Tell me what you’re high on. I want to be a winner.
Such an edgy response!
It’s a lemmy thing.
Gotcha. Sometimes I forget 😅
I think the connection they’re going for is this is the kind of hair brained distopian bullshit that eventually comes trying to achieve "infinite growth"in a finite world.
Well it’s not like socialist countries don’t need growth to achieve their goals and that growth needs new workers
I think the implication is that in a socialist/communist utopia there would be no need for continual growth. their only goals would be to make their populations comfortable and I guess further the arts/technology.
Obviously one or two non capitalist countries need to try and grow at the same rate as their capitalist neighbours so they can try and fend off the “democracy” that capitalist countries so often like to bestow on non-capitalist and/or oilfield owning countries.
How those types of societies would operate when not trying to compete with aggressive capitalism is unknown. No doubt human nature would take its course and we’d be back here in 50 years or so.
Right. But in the meanwhile…
In the meanwhile things are getting consistently shittier under capitalism and someone has suggested using brain dead woman as incubators to combat the collapse we’re looking at now that there are no new countries to exploit.
Why do you think we’re so desperate to get to space now? Capitalism needs growth.
You can support that system or you can try to work for a new one.
The new one, as it exists right now, looks pretty horrid too. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to hear this story from the supposedly socialist China.
And I don’t think some loon suggesting this means much. Anyone can suggest anything. This made news because of how horrible the suggestion was and how outraged people got over it.
Supposedly socialist is exactly right, but we’re not here to split hairs about the exact name of the ideal governing/economic style.
In a very dumbed down way socialism/communism is meant to value the goals of the many over the few and capitalism is touted as the bastion for individual freedom. But there is no end to individuals getting royally fucked, often in legal and yet unfair ways in capitalistic countries all for the sake of a few percentage points on a quarterly report.
Most people who are capitalism detractors don’t want follow in china or Russia’s footsteps. We just want a system that values people more than money.
It’s just that there’s doubts if we’ll ever get closer to that socialist utopia than what we’ve seen so far. I hope we do but so far it hasn’t gone well
I can see China inducing comas in Uyghur women and forcing them to be incubators for the billionaires in the Chinese Capitalist Party who don’t want to deal with pregnancy.
If the Chinese do it is double plus ungood but if the west does it, it is by definition, double plus good. Thank you fellow pleb for teaching me this understanding. I’m double plus looking forward to the 2 minutes of hate this morning.
“Double plus” good? What kind of nonsense is this?
It’s Newspeak from Orwell’s 1984:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak#Prefixes
It’s purposefully stupid.
I personally use it to highlight issues on China. It seems to me that, like the Conservative/Liberal Party divide, the The West/China divide is more a “it’s good if my side does it but bad when my opponent does it”.
Use of Newspeak high lights this obserdity by replacing good with good and bad with ungood (i.e. not-good or opposite of good)
It’s not good if anyone does it.
That’s my point though. It isn’t good if anyone does it. Doesn’t matter the country, party of political ideology.
Why be upset at China if we’re doing it as well? At least we have control over our laws, not China’s.
Why be upset? Wow… it’s people like you who made this timeline.
Capitalism is when bad things happen. Don’t you know that self-serving hierarchies never formed under any other system?
When self-serving hierarchies form under other systems it’s because The CIA Did It.