I don’t like the implied sociopathy in that assessment. It smacks of "i got mine, fuck you ". I’m not implying that is your attitude, just pointing out that people who don’t care because it does not affect them overlap the population that is all for fascism because they are in the “in” group and aren’t (obviously) harmed.
Building to work well on low-end systems does not take from high-end systems unless the devs don’t take advantage of it when it is available.even then, they are not worse off. They just don’t get something better than “the pleebs” are getting.
I don’t know how you can even get to this conclusion from what I said.
It depends on the optimization for low-end systems that is being done, if it will have an effect to high-end systems. All I say is, that optimizing a game for Steam Deck does not mean it will have an effect to high end machines (btw my system isn’t even high end…, I’m not an elitist). In other replies I tried to give a few examples of what I mean.
A very simple example would be having low quality textures added to a game, to make it run with the constraints of the Steam Deck (or other low end machines). If the game was already running well at 60 fps with high quality textures, then it will not benefit from option to set low quality textures. And just to make it clear: I am not against optimizations for low end hardware. In fact I own a Steam Deck and love it and my PC is not even high end, some may even say low… (at least the GPU).
As I said in my comment, I was not implying you personally had any such attitude. I was commenting on my feelings about how that statement could be interpreted and the general attitude behind it is part of what I have in the past actually experienced when I advocated for the value of building for a less l33t configuration. The attitude by at least some and perhaps many is a weaponization of the attitude I saw in your comment (again, not seeking to imply you actually had that attitude).
When enough people just don’t care because the problem does not directly affect them, the problem is not addressed because not enough people care. That is what I was attempting to say. Thus, I apologize for the appearance of saying you personally had a “bad” attitude on this. It’s a common attitude and is a contributing factor to many real-world serious social problems, and I just don’t like it because of consequences on a larger scale.
I understand the issue here. I just wanted make my intentions crystal clear, as you was not entirely sure. Although, I do not entirely agree. Why? Because it is in the right of not caring other what affects you. Unless someone goes out of the way trying to stop the “optimization” for low end hardware, its totally fine if someone says “I don’t care, it doesn’t affect me”.
I am against elitism too. In example on a different subject, but similar reasoning is emulation vs real hardware enthusiasts. Those people don’t like how easy we have access to expensive games and hardware (for free) and therefore they are against it. This is the definition of elitism. And this is a different issue than people with high end hardware not caring about low end hardware, because it does not affect them. Not caring is okay to me.
Understood. My issue is more abstract. It would be nice if some who don’t need it also put their support behind the concept for altruistic reasons and because they realize it could affect them when their hardware is no longer cutting edge.
I don’t like the implied sociopathy in that assessment. It smacks of "i got mine, fuck you ". I’m not implying that is your attitude, just pointing out that people who don’t care because it does not affect them overlap the population that is all for fascism because they are in the “in” group and aren’t (obviously) harmed.
Building to work well on low-end systems does not take from high-end systems unless the devs don’t take advantage of it when it is available.even then, they are not worse off. They just don’t get something better than “the pleebs” are getting.
I don’t know how you can even get to this conclusion from what I said.
It depends on the optimization for low-end systems that is being done, if it will have an effect to high-end systems. All I say is, that optimizing a game for Steam Deck does not mean it will have an effect to high end machines (btw my system isn’t even high end…, I’m not an elitist). In other replies I tried to give a few examples of what I mean.
A very simple example would be having low quality textures added to a game, to make it run with the constraints of the Steam Deck (or other low end machines). If the game was already running well at 60 fps with high quality textures, then it will not benefit from option to set low quality textures. And just to make it clear: I am not against optimizations for low end hardware. In fact I own a Steam Deck and love it and my PC is not even high end, some may even say low… (at least the GPU).
As I said in my comment, I was not implying you personally had any such attitude. I was commenting on my feelings about how that statement could be interpreted and the general attitude behind it is part of what I have in the past actually experienced when I advocated for the value of building for a less l33t configuration. The attitude by at least some and perhaps many is a weaponization of the attitude I saw in your comment (again, not seeking to imply you actually had that attitude).
When enough people just don’t care because the problem does not directly affect them, the problem is not addressed because not enough people care. That is what I was attempting to say. Thus, I apologize for the appearance of saying you personally had a “bad” attitude on this. It’s a common attitude and is a contributing factor to many real-world serious social problems, and I just don’t like it because of consequences on a larger scale.
I understand the issue here. I just wanted make my intentions crystal clear, as you was not entirely sure. Although, I do not entirely agree. Why? Because it is in the right of not caring other what affects you. Unless someone goes out of the way trying to stop the “optimization” for low end hardware, its totally fine if someone says “I don’t care, it doesn’t affect me”.
I am against elitism too. In example on a different subject, but similar reasoning is emulation vs real hardware enthusiasts. Those people don’t like how easy we have access to expensive games and hardware (for free) and therefore they are against it. This is the definition of elitism. And this is a different issue than people with high end hardware not caring about low end hardware, because it does not affect them. Not caring is okay to me.
Understood. My issue is more abstract. It would be nice if some who don’t need it also put their support behind the concept for altruistic reasons and because they realize it could affect them when their hardware is no longer cutting edge.