Use curl.exe otherwise you might invoke the default powershell alias curl which has different syntax (just learned of this here somewhere some time ago in a meme)
I have a USB-bootable thumbdrive with Ubuntu 24 on it. Two home systems down, two to go.
My chief concern is that this wave of enshitifiation will eventually make it to Microsoft’s security support. Historically, at least recently, the weekly updates and response to critical vulnerabilities and virus scanning have been pretty good. But now that they’re attacking their own flagship products - Office and Windows itself - I think it’s only a matter of time before they fumble Windows security in a big way.
I’ll also predict that Non-pro Windows will eventually be “free” (as in beer), but will be useless without a live internet connection and cloud services. So now really is the time to switch. IMO, all the money points in that direction.
My chief concern is that this wave of enshitifiation will eventually make it to Microsoft’s security support.
That and their general quality control. It’s already been happening. Their updates and new products have been having some serious issues with a lot more frequency over the last year. At least that’s the strong impression I have. Oh, here’s an article also calling this out: https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/08/microsoft_lacks_quality_control/ - apparently they may have started going down this path over a decade ago, but it seems to have accelerated since they started using Gen AI.
Dude, that was a GOOD read. It’s been a growing problem, before AI and entirely due to the infinite growth forced on companies by shareholder value.
I code, usually for utility or personal projects. I’m surprised how many software devs have shit code. It’s not that their code doesn’t work, they wouldn’t have a job without it. No, it works well for now, until it needs to be maintained or updated, usually after the sloppy author is gone, and then it’s a shit show. Suddenly all the corners the last guy cut need to be added in somehow, with the whole thing expanded to scope, and the code becomes unworkable, at worst, requiring a complete rewrite, or at best turns into spaghetti code that leads to the shit we have in our aging early adopters.
My biggest fear, and one that is not talked about in the article, is that we won’t have any asbestos removers in the future. Generative AI is being fed it’s own excrement and that’s being leveraged as working code to new coders. When this really becomes a liability we won’t have many left that can fix or figure out the fix cause it will have obfuscated all the usable info.
My biggest fear, and one that is not talked about in the article, is that we won’t have any asbestos removers in the future. Generative AI is being fed it’s own excrement and that’s being leveraged as working code to new coders. When this really becomes a liability we won’t have many left that can fix or figure out the fix cause it will have obfuscated all the usable info.
I think it’s going to be a complete shit show. Here’s the confluence of factors:
From what little I’ve seen of AI code, it seems to write code that’s even more shit than human devs. I’m not in software dev, but I’m in IT operations and also studying CS. What I’ve seen of AI code in IT (PowerShell scripts) looked like it wrote 10+ lines where one or two would have done the job. In other words, it’s a form of obfuscation like you said.
I strongly expect that fewer people are studying CS because they’re getting the message that AI is taking all the dev jobs. That’s true for the moment.
Fewer coders are being hired, so there will be even fewer experienced devs in the future.
I think that this will all add up to a “dark ages” of software development in the not too distant future. There just won’t be enough people to fix all the AI junk, and the AI junk will essentially need to be ripped out altogether. Software quality and security will go down the drain, and it will take forever to fix it, if it even gets fixed at all. I think it really will be equivalent to the “dark ages” (I know that this term is not considered accurate nowadays, but I think it applies even more to this situation).
I’m hopeful for one thing though: that this phenomenon will strengthen free open source software relative to commercial software. If there are a bunch of devs who can’t get dev jobs, hopefully they will spend at least some of their time contributing to open source. On top of that, it appears to me that open source projects have been more resistant to accepting AI code. Let’s hope that this is a silver lining here.
Out of curiosity, why does everyone always go for Ubuntu in posts like this? I’ve always hated that distro; all my machines run Fedora instead. IMO Fedora with KDE is way better than Ubuntu with Gnome in terms of usability for people switching over from Windows, but maybe I’m just biased since I’m already super familiar with Linux
It took me way more than a decade of using Ubuntu before I got to a point of preferring Fedora, in spite of frequent distro hopping in periods when I was bored.
I think Fedora has gotten better in the last few years, but for me it also feels a bit more cold and unwelcoming maybe? Dunno, but I was always happy with Ubuntu until some really obscure dependencies got into conflict and I had to change things up. Canonical might not be the absolute best, but neither are Red Hat.
Ubuntu doesn’t respect the spirit of free open-source software. They keep jamming stuff into their distro to increase their control. There are plenty of alternatives. (E.g. Debian, OpenSUSE, Fedora or Mint for general-purpose distros.)
curl -L -o ubuntu.iso https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04/ubuntu-22.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso
Yeah. This is better.
Use curl.exe otherwise you might invoke the default powershell alias curl which has different syntax (just learned of this here somewhere some time ago in a meme)
I have a USB-bootable thumbdrive with Ubuntu 24 on it. Two home systems down, two to go.
My chief concern is that this wave of enshitifiation will eventually make it to Microsoft’s security support. Historically, at least recently, the weekly updates and response to critical vulnerabilities and virus scanning have been pretty good. But now that they’re attacking their own flagship products - Office and Windows itself - I think it’s only a matter of time before they fumble Windows security in a big way.
I’ll also predict that Non-pro Windows will eventually be “free” (as in beer), but will be useless without a live internet connection and cloud services. So now really is the time to switch. IMO, all the money points in that direction.
That and their general quality control. It’s already been happening. Their updates and new products have been having some serious issues with a lot more frequency over the last year. At least that’s the strong impression I have. Oh, here’s an article also calling this out: https://www.theregister.com/2025/11/08/microsoft_lacks_quality_control/ - apparently they may have started going down this path over a decade ago, but it seems to have accelerated since they started using Gen AI.
Newest post from Cory Doctorow is about exactly this https://pluralistic.net/2026/01/06/1000x-liability/#graceful-failure-modes
Thanks! I saw this linked on Mastodon but haven’t read it yet.
Dude, that was a GOOD read. It’s been a growing problem, before AI and entirely due to the infinite growth forced on companies by shareholder value.
I code, usually for utility or personal projects. I’m surprised how many software devs have shit code. It’s not that their code doesn’t work, they wouldn’t have a job without it. No, it works well for now, until it needs to be maintained or updated, usually after the sloppy author is gone, and then it’s a shit show. Suddenly all the corners the last guy cut need to be added in somehow, with the whole thing expanded to scope, and the code becomes unworkable, at worst, requiring a complete rewrite, or at best turns into spaghetti code that leads to the shit we have in our aging early adopters.
My biggest fear, and one that is not talked about in the article, is that we won’t have any asbestos removers in the future. Generative AI is being fed it’s own excrement and that’s being leveraged as working code to new coders. When this really becomes a liability we won’t have many left that can fix or figure out the fix cause it will have obfuscated all the usable info.
I think it’s going to be a complete shit show. Here’s the confluence of factors:
I think that this will all add up to a “dark ages” of software development in the not too distant future. There just won’t be enough people to fix all the AI junk, and the AI junk will essentially need to be ripped out altogether. Software quality and security will go down the drain, and it will take forever to fix it, if it even gets fixed at all. I think it really will be equivalent to the “dark ages” (I know that this term is not considered accurate nowadays, but I think it applies even more to this situation).
I’m hopeful for one thing though: that this phenomenon will strengthen free open source software relative to commercial software. If there are a bunch of devs who can’t get dev jobs, hopefully they will spend at least some of their time contributing to open source. On top of that, it appears to me that open source projects have been more resistant to accepting AI code. Let’s hope that this is a silver lining here.
Out of curiosity, why does everyone always go for Ubuntu in posts like this? I’ve always hated that distro; all my machines run Fedora instead. IMO Fedora with KDE is way better than Ubuntu with Gnome in terms of usability for people switching over from Windows, but maybe I’m just biased since I’m already super familiar with Linux
I run Zorin OS 18 on my desktop. I just commented Ubuntu since more people would understand the comments.
Also, for Surface tablets, I believe Ubuntu is the best option for touchscreen support.
Fair enough, thanks for responding
It took me way more than a decade of using Ubuntu before I got to a point of preferring Fedora, in spite of frequent distro hopping in periods when I was bored.
I think Fedora has gotten better in the last few years, but for me it also feels a bit more cold and unwelcoming maybe? Dunno, but I was always happy with Ubuntu until some really obscure dependencies got into conflict and I had to change things up. Canonical might not be the absolute best, but neither are Red Hat.
A version of Ubuntu that’s nearly 4 years old?
The link is no longer working. I just needed a direct link to make the point that’s it. Recent versions have buttons to download with script.
Ubuntu doesn’t respect the spirit of free open-source software. They keep jamming stuff into their distro to increase their control. There are plenty of alternatives. (E.g. Debian, OpenSUSE, Fedora or Mint for general-purpose distros.)
I refuse to use or recommend American distros.
I can confirm Debian 13 works great for newbies.