You can’t go from ‘it does harm! fact!’ to an appeal from the nature of beauty.
Nor can you honestly claim ‘this is an open forum for debate’ and then make crystal fucking clear you’re not actually arguing, you’re just spouting words at someone. You came to me. I did not seek your opinion, I did not invite brainstorming, and I’m not keeping you here. But for some fucking reason every single response includes a pearl-clutching rejoinder like you can’t figure out why someone is talking back to you. All you did was offer concrete rationale and claims to fact which are supposedly relevant to the broad and important topic at hand! Why would anyone have something to say about that?
If addressing your alleged reasons cannot possibly change your mind, then they’re just lies. That’s pretense. That’s pulling out excuses that sound like arguments, but cannot be foundational to your conclusions, or else removing them would make that belief structure collapse.
If you don’t actually want to discuss this, consider shutting up.
I never said I was arguing, just sharing where I stand on an issue.
I came to you… What are you talking about? I replied with my thoughts.
“…you can’t figure out why someone is talking back to you.” I’m not sure where in this thread I responded in a way to make you feel that way, but if I was I am sorry. I will say that you have made it clear you don’t appreciate conversation with those who disagree with you.
This last part honestly makes no sense to me. I’m pretty sure I’m not lying, but I guess you might have information about that which I’m not privy to.
I feel I’ve been pretty respectful throughout this conversation. You seem to be having some difficulty respecting others with differing opinions… I’m sorry that’s so troubling. I hope you find peace.
I feel I’ve been pretty respectful throughout this conversation.
I wish to disabuse you of that notion. Every response has been condescending repetition of your apparently dogmatic opinions - and insistence upon your right to hold them, as if anyone challenged that. Conversations are supposed to pursue a mutual understanding of reality, instead of spitting conclusions at one another. You can’t make declarations about all art with a sweep of your hand, and then flinch in confusion when the person you’re talking at has a follow-up question.
You “don’t feel the need to convince you or anyone of anything,” but boy howdy you sure keep yapping. And then cannot imagine why that’s not the end of it.
Meanwhile, I’ve held the vain hope this interaction might be productive in some way. From the very start, I asked you: do words matter? And you clutched pearls as if the answer was obviously yes. But then ev-er-y sin-gle response, that one included, ends with useless ‘agree to disagree’ fluff, and some sign-off like you’re just going to nope out, and then you keep coming back to do it again. I’ve made it crystal clear why I’m still trying. I for one give a shit about this topic, enough to constructively discuss it. Why the fuck are you still here if you’re not even listening?
Recognizing that no tool is immune to human expression. So even if a stick-figure single prompt isn’t art, some weirdo pouring their time and energy into an iterative process should be.
Distinguishing capitalist implications of a technology vis-a-vis material impact on existing professions, versus people running some jumped-up chatbot and renderer on their own desktop for their own purposes.
You can’t go from ‘it does harm! fact!’ to an appeal from the nature of beauty.
Nor can you honestly claim ‘this is an open forum for debate’ and then make crystal fucking clear you’re not actually arguing, you’re just spouting words at someone. You came to me. I did not seek your opinion, I did not invite brainstorming, and I’m not keeping you here. But for some fucking reason every single response includes a pearl-clutching rejoinder like you can’t figure out why someone is talking back to you. All you did was offer concrete rationale and claims to fact which are supposedly relevant to the broad and important topic at hand! Why would anyone have something to say about that?
If addressing your alleged reasons cannot possibly change your mind, then they’re just lies. That’s pretense. That’s pulling out excuses that sound like arguments, but cannot be foundational to your conclusions, or else removing them would make that belief structure collapse.
If you don’t actually want to discuss this, consider shutting up.
I never said I was arguing, just sharing where I stand on an issue.
I came to you… What are you talking about? I replied with my thoughts.
“…you can’t figure out why someone is talking back to you.” I’m not sure where in this thread I responded in a way to make you feel that way, but if I was I am sorry. I will say that you have made it clear you don’t appreciate conversation with those who disagree with you.
This last part honestly makes no sense to me. I’m pretty sure I’m not lying, but I guess you might have information about that which I’m not privy to.
I feel I’ve been pretty respectful throughout this conversation. You seem to be having some difficulty respecting others with differing opinions… I’m sorry that’s so troubling. I hope you find peace.
I wish to disabuse you of that notion. Every response has been condescending repetition of your apparently dogmatic opinions - and insistence upon your right to hold them, as if anyone challenged that. Conversations are supposed to pursue a mutual understanding of reality, instead of spitting conclusions at one another. You can’t make declarations about all art with a sweep of your hand, and then flinch in confusion when the person you’re talking at has a follow-up question.
You “don’t feel the need to convince you or anyone of anything,” but boy howdy you sure keep yapping. And then cannot imagine why that’s not the end of it.
Meanwhile, I’ve held the vain hope this interaction might be productive in some way. From the very start, I asked you: do words matter? And you clutched pearls as if the answer was obviously yes. But then ev-er-y sin-gle response, that one included, ends with useless ‘agree to disagree’ fluff, and some sign-off like you’re just going to nope out, and then you keep coming back to do it again. I’ve made it crystal clear why I’m still trying. I for one give a shit about this topic, enough to constructively discuss it. Why the fuck are you still here if you’re not even listening?
I see what you mean. I have been pretty condescending and dismissive of your stance. That wasn’t cool for me to do and for that I am sorry.
Can I ask, between our views, what might a shared understanding of reality look like?
Recognizing that no tool is immune to human expression. So even if a stick-figure single prompt isn’t art, some weirdo pouring their time and energy into an iterative process should be.
Distinguishing capitalist implications of a technology vis-a-vis material impact on existing professions, versus people running some jumped-up chatbot and renderer on their own desktop for their own purposes.