• eldavi@lemmy.ml
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    8 days ago

    bush didn’t get any backlash for afghanistan and iraq; nor did obama for libya and ukraine.

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      8 days ago

      They didn’t make not starting any new wars a major part of their campaign promise though.

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        8 days ago

        bush was voted in for a second term after starting those forever wars; americans don’t care about foreign policy.

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          8 days ago

          America has not been a democracy that counts votes accurately in federal elections.

          It’s unknown who would have won, had that been the case, certainly not the two people running.

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            6 days ago

            America has not been a democracy that counts votes accurately in federal elections.

            the wildest part is that they have this in writing in most states; they officially won’t count mail in ballots of the election day results aren’t within a certain percentage of each other.

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              6 days ago

              These things drive me crazy ; mostly because most people who are politically active blithely ignore that

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                6 days ago

                i think that they disregard it because they lack the context to understand why it matters.

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                  I think I was frustrated because nobody I talked to wanted to learn the context. Indeed, their entire political participation demanded they ignore it.

                  It took me a few years to understand it in that way.

                  And for the longest time I was mystified why the marginalized people could see it plainly while anyone who participated anywhere on the political spectrum : - from progressive to liberal to libertarian to mega to religious extremist , and the mainstream news - ignored the basics of democracy. It was to me, the most peculiar thing about American culture