• Jyek@sh.itjust.works
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    1 day ago

    The phone makers want your data just as much as the government does. Data is money and power.

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      1 day ago

      They have other ways of determining your age without requiring an extremely unpopular ID check.

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        Some are accepting having a credit card in Wallet as proof of age, as well as simply having an old enough Apple account

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          23 hours ago

          My Apple account is only like a decade old but if YouTube asks me for age verification I’m gonna be writing them a sternly worded letter because my account is old enough to buy alcohol in my country

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            12 hours ago

            Before wasting your time with a letter that will go straight into the rubbish, spend a little time seeing if anyone has created a work around, Hopefully Revanced or YTLitePlus can patch the age verification out.

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        I don’t think there is any way to actually functionally verify age without either an ID check, or a check that ultimately traces back to an ID check from some entity further up the chain. Any successful age check will either dox your identity to the checker, or it can be trivially bypassed.

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          22 hours ago

          You’re forgetting that they don’t NEED to know precise age unless they’re doing it for a government mandated age check.

          For marketing purposes, which is what they REALLY want your data for, they have a profile of you that’s accurate enough even if your age is off by 5 years.

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            22 hours ago

            The capitalist part that wants money can build an accurate enough profile with just statistical correlations, but the fascist aspect isn’t doing it “for the children” or even just money, it’s doing it to completely dismantle all digital privacy, so they can know what everyone is saying and doing online at all times.

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              21 hours ago

              But the fascist aspect isn’t doing it “for the children” or even just money, it’s doing it to completely dismantle all digital privacy, so they can know what everyone is saying and doing online at all times.

              Yes, that’s the government mandated age check requirements and anti-encryption legislation. Of course many of the people lobbying for these things are rich capitalists, but not exclusively - there are also religious nutcases and overall just people who enjoy having control over others. As far as megacorporations are concerned, they really just want all of your money and if they make you jump through hoops (age verification), you’re actually less likely to give them your money.

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                21 hours ago

                As far as megacorporations are concerned, they really just want all of your money

                Maybe awhile back, but at this point they are kind of melding with the fascists. Social media, mainstream news, financial architecture, and communication networks controlled by corporations are definitely being backed by increasingly fascist organizations which definitely value total control over everything else.

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                  21 hours ago

                  I mean that’s true, yes. But even then they’re only in bed with fascists because right now that’s profitable. A while ago they were funding politicians who were just neoliberals, not fascists. The kind that just leave them alone and let them profit off everyone in peace. I was specifically referring to the age checks though, not their data collection practices overall. An ID check is annoying to the user and thus most corporations would rather skip that unless they actually need it so they know who to blame if you rack up debt or something. Just knowing everything about you without you ever getting prompted to do anything is way better for them.

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                    21 hours ago

                    with fascists because right now that’s profitable

                    Or because there is dirt on executives. I have recently began to believe a lot of this bullshit is being run with blackmail as fuel.