What is this recurring connection between big missiles sending men to the moon and the military industrial complex sending expeditionary forces overseas?
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Dude…
The US has always been at war.
All empires are always at war…
Yeah, but Vietnam was a pinnacle of sorts, and Iran started pushing really hard and fast as launch day approached…
Pinnacle in what way?
Draftee casualties in a US proxy war.
Vietnam wasn’t a proxy war for the US, it was a proxy war for Russia.
There were orders of magnitude MORE draftee causalities for the US in WWII than Viet Nam.
In percentages or raw numbers?
I just went down a mini rabbit hole.
WW2: 10 million drafted, 16 million in the service. 400,000 casualties overall. I couldn’t find anything that split casualty figures by volunteer/drafted status.
Vietnam: 1.9 million conscripted. About 17,000 casualties among the drafted.
No matter when you launch the rocket, the US will be in some war overseas.
No matter when you launch the rocket, the US will be losing some war overseas
Ftfy
There isn’t a connection.
Classic example of correlation not being causation.
Exactly
While the relationships may not be causal, there are literally millions of connections.
Ok, since there are literally millions of connections, list 50.
Start with the thousands of contractors who drift back and forth between NASA and military contracts.
That’s not millions of links, though. It’s just that building rockets is a thing only a handful of companies are equipped to do.
The better metric to look at is which country is the US trying to show up. In 69 it was Russia, and today it’s China.
Each contract worker is a link. Each company is a link. Each congress critter playing for missile pork projects in their district is a link. And this isn’t just about the missiles, as you say: who are we trying to impress? What are we trying to get in exchange for that impression?
It’s not about getting something in exchange. It’s about showing off with a display of power.
The space race and proxy wars were a huge part of the cold war, and now, many things point to some kind of new cold war. I’m surprised by the amount of people claiming that there’s no connection.
Pretty sure Artemis was in the works long before this. If you want to talk suspiciously convenient timing, look at the intervention in Venezuela just before before Iran.
Artemis has been in the works for over 20 years, this is the first time the project didn’t get delayed for … reasons.
Wasn’t Artemis II meant to launch in 2023?
I believe it has been pushed back multiple times.
Monument building is the reaction of a scared nation. It’s historically been a cheap way to boost national unity
