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The author raises some good questions about the licensing of the core utils. Why the MIT license? Why not stick to GNU GPL?
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Ubuntu releases is personal fine for new or avarage users. But standard snaps is kinda bad. Should always be optional.
Ai slop
And a truckload of FUD on top of that
I have no interest in watching quarter of an hour of clickbait nonsense, what’s the tldr besides the licencing non-issue?
This is a distro that received crap because of the transition to snaps and the whole Amazon shopping lens thing. There’s pretty stiff competition for “worst release”.
This video is a bit dramatic, nothing can be worse than a Windows 11 update…However, I do have some grievances with the reliance of snaps. Given the recent spate of software vulnerabilities associated with Snaps, if Canonical is going to push them on users. They better get snappy with the security hardening of their pet project, as one cannot be Microslop messy when it comes to creating proprietary software packaging and ecosystem! I also do agree that removing the easy way of setting up PPAs and software sources graphically is a bad move on Canonical’s part.
X11 is doomed to die, the discussions were had, and the maintaining that shambling corpse for any longer when Wayland is a good replacement that will become better with time. GNOME decided to drop X11 faster than KDE (they will be dropping in the next few releases). However, there will still be distros that take on the effort to maintain X11 despite it being a shambling corpse…
Canonical falling in step with GNOME on that decision isn’t the worst thing in the world. Canonical dropping X11 means less work maintaining it, as long as they pour that saved effort into better ventures, bully for them. Honestly, even Wayland isn’t going to be forever, and I hope they transition into a better display manager faster than the X11 to Wayland process.
I haven’t used Ubuntu in a hot minute, as openSUSE Tumbleweed and Solus has filled my needs so far…I think Ubuntu 26.04 will be a solid release (barring any release day issues, that are known to happen).
The whine about removing X11 is pretty annoying. Fedora has done the same, and the impact of doing so seems to be pretty small; Xwayland provides the compatibility layer needed, and Nvidia driver issues have been pretty much eliminated.
The sudo change is a design choice and from an accessibility point of view a positive thing - people having problems with typing on a keyboard will probably welcome the change to make it visible when they properly hit a key.
But i can get behind the rest of the critique - an LTS release shouldn’t have feature incomplete and standard-ignoring core utils, and the audio dependency on snap is bordering on publicly taunting snap opponents. Also, an LTS probably shouldn’t opt for a bleeding edge kernel. And what is the reason for the (for a linux distribution) pretty high RAM requirements?
If someone asks me for an recommendation for linux newbies, i will probably go with fedora (or nobara if they game much). It’s been rock solid for me, easy to use for a newbie, and still gives you all the freedom you want if you are an advanced user.
Fedora is absolutely my favorite distro that I’ve used to date. I have it both on my desktop (mostly used for gaming) and my laptop (mostly used for web browsing or anything I might have to do while traveling) and have for many years.
I never get crashes or anything, but on both systems the mouse (USB for desktop, track pad for laptop) will occasionally just stop working. Sometimes clicks still work, sometimes not, but universally the cursor just stops moving. On my desktop I just unplug and plug back in the mouse, but on the laptop I either have to wait it out or reboot using the keyboard.
The desktop also has issues with Bluetooth. (As does the laptop, but they’re much more intermittent.) I even got an external dongle in case hardware or placement were the problem, but that changed nothing. I know both the internal and external work because, when I search, they find my TV, my HASS unit, etc.; but for the things I actually want to connect, like a keyboard or headset, it either doesn’t see them at all, or does, but they disappear when I try to connect or pair them (and don’t show during the next search unless I wait a while).
I haven’t really looked into the mouse issue, but I have reviewed various logs for Bluetooth and not yet found anything that looks relevant.
Other than those issues, I love Fedora. Other problems I’ve had in the past have resolved themselves, presumably through the efforts of the developers, so though I’ve had these issues through several releases, I’ll probably just wait them out.
Ubuntu being shit for personal users is all but new (Who wants 2 year old software? I want upstream’s latest stable release. Who likes snap?). Ubuntu having higher hardware requirements than other distros is also not new (it’s the reason why I switched away from it over a decade ago). Ubuntu breaking stuff is also not new (big upgrades of ubuntu flavors have always been disrupting for me). Ubuntu shipping new premature things instead of being stable also feels not new to me.
Ubuntu is doing ubuntu things. It’s interesting to see how far it went. The video also has a bit of needless whining though (who cares about the different default for sudo asterisks, just change the setting).
Ubuntu being shit for personal users is all but new (Who wants 2 year old software?
A lot of people. From a snap I maintain:
So not only are some people fine with 2 year old software, they’re choosing to use 4 year old software more often than 6 month old software (granted in this second case, you can argue it’s because Ubuntu promotes the LTS as the main version).
Not to unmask internet anonymity but I’m curious what sort of snap this is since that surely affects the user base and provides some context for these numbers.
But I think you’re probably right. From my experience, people that are not me(arch btw) using linux generally want something stable, not chasing updates or latest releases.
It’s a utility app that is that is available on Linux, Windows, MacOS, iOS, Android. It’s a decently popular app and is more likely to be used by regular people than in a business setting.
It’s in the top 50 most popular apps on Flathub.
That they are doing it doesn’t mean they want it this way. Ubuntu calls its half yearly releases unstable (or used to), which scares users off. Upgrading is also hard on ubuntu (compared to arch, where the set of installed packages stays (apart from renaming and similar) the same). And for the software where they need it, the users already use ppas, probably. And then there are the users who almost only use a browser. And there are enterprise users who don’t upgrade because not all of their software works on new ubuntu.
There’s a Linux Discord server I go to for tech support questions when I need to, and they won’t even give you the time of day if you’re not using an LTS release. That alone scared me away from other versions.
Ubuntu 20.04 was the last good version. I wish it still got security updates, because I’d likely use it occasionally if it did.
I really don’t know what to do for my next desktop distro.
I don’t use my PC exclusively for gaming. So things like Bazzite or Nobara are not my jam.
Arch-based distros seem too bleeding-edge. I don’t have that much free time to troubleshoot my PC. That’s why Ubuntu was so appealing to me. It just worked! Now I feel that with the latest LTS I’m going to be trapped into Canonical’s ecosystem with Snaps or risk borking my install. I hate this idea.
I might just move to Debian Stable. I don’t mind being a big behind if it means having a rock solid system. I’m also very used to the Debian packaging system. Also there’s no company behind it that might take it in a certain direction.
Alternatively there could be OpenSUSE Tumbleweed slow roll, but apparently it doesn’t play well with NVidia graphical drivers? I’m also not used to their ecosystem at all.
Tough decisions ahead.
Fedora’s key selling point is being up to date and extremely boring. It’s mainly just off-the-shelf software, with minimal niche custom software. Flathub and Steam are available from the setup process. It’s the most Linux Linux that Linuxes today.
Edit: the bonus is that Red Hat being a sponsor means that the biggest improvements to the Linux desktop come to Fedora first. That’s what happened with PipeWire.
Your comment is almost exactly the text for “why you should use fedora”. Not as bleeding edge as arch, not as behind as debian. A great balance.
Yeah. Either that or OpenSUSE. But I fer OpenSUSE might not have as big a user base as Fedora or as much user documentation.
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Try Linux Mint (or LMDE).
I started off with Nobara, then tried Linux Mint but moved to Kubuntu, I tried Ubuntu but stuck with Kubuntu, the Kubuntu fucked up and I tried Linux Mint again and havent looked back since. I really like Linux Mint and its what I recommend to anyone I try to get onto Linux. It just works
Yeah but I really like the KDE Plasma desktop.
@ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace @Goodlucksil In my experience with Arch I never really had issues unless I fucked around with stuff I shouldnt. Sometimes I wanted to just mess with stuff and see what would happen. Normal daily use, no issues though.
Nowadays I use Alpine because I don’t want SystemD, which I would not recommend because it takes some doing to make stuff work right.
If you don’t need up-to-date new releases of software, Debian is totally fine. Fedora worked okay for me too, but fuck IBM and RedHat and such.
Yeah. Going to revisit Endeavour and Cachy along with some others.
If Bazzite appeals to you except for the gaming orientation, look into the Fedora UniversalBlue spins.
Thanks, but Bazzite doesn’t really appeal to me. Fedora does have an official KDE Plasma desktop distro now though.
I’m on Tumbleweed, just regular. It works fine. There are hiccups on occasion, typically NVidia screwing up their drivers.
Tumbleweed has snapper however, letting you roll back upgrades with just a couple button presses. Takes less than five minutes.
I highly recommend it.
Another vote for Tumbleweed. Again, it just works. While I have an older card just begging for the sweet release of death, I’ve had no real issues with nVidia drivers either.
bazzite is not just for gaming
it’s brilliant for everything
I run Cachyos (KDE), for 9 months now. It’s Arch based. I have had only one problem that I caused myself because I didn’t read the docs well enough. Other than that I have had zero issues and it just works.
It’s the best distro I’ve used (previously ran very early Ubuntu, the SuSe for a while, then Mint).
Cachy is pretty solid. If you can name a distro I’ve at least tried it. Though I would still recommend mint for someone who has no idea what they’re doing and just need things to “work”. But garuda, endeavor or cachy are all pretty solid and straight forward. And with the talk of a new independent graphical package manager for Arch. It’s only going to get easier to operate and maintain.
Linux Mint is a good choice but it doesn’t come with a GNOME flavour by default. You can install it yourself if you want, though.
I moved to Fedora after leaving Ubuntu. Worked fine for me, but you’ll have to re-train your muscle memory for some terminal commands.
sudo apt installbecomessudo dnf installandrpmis a little different fromdpkg. Other than that, with the Dash to Dock extension, Fedora feels exactly the same as Ubuntu to me.the bigger difference with dnf is instead of
apt update && upgradeit’sdnf upgrade --refreshWhy does dnf always default to n in y/n questions? That is annoying to me
So does pacman, I don’t see what package manager doesn’t confirm with y/n for safety.
With apt it defaults to (Y/n) rather than dnf’s (y/N) that’s what I’m talking about.
Ah you mean the capitalisation.
The capitalization indicates what happens if you press enter.
you can add the flag
-yif it helpsIt doesn’t really. I want to see what the installer wants to do before agreeing to it, but I want to usually agree with it, if that makes sense.
I had the same way of thinking you do when I switched. I eventually landed on LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) because it just worked. Debian itself was too old to do some gaming stuff I wanted and Arch is too bleeding edge for my taste and amount of free time I have to throw at it.
LMDE gives you the rock solid experience with just enough updates to have an easy time with updates or occasional tinkering
I normally use NixOS but recently tried out PikaOS on one of my machines and I love it. Sure it’s got a gaming focus but it’s fast. damn fast. makes my dev work a breeze. It feels like one of the most complete Linux distros I’ve ever used. takes all of 15min to install and you can be up and running with everything you need within 30min. And their Pikman package manager is one of the best I’ve ever used. has distrobox built into it so if I want to install something from Arch, or the AUR, or Fedora, or whatever I just do “pikman --aur install whatever” spins up a distrobox, automatically exports it, good to go. Also has one of the fastest startups I’ve ever experienced that it felt like I wasn’t on systemd. Like Void runit start up speed.
If there are people who want something like Bazzite or Nobara but want a lot more flexibility for packages than PikaOS is it.
Ubuntu is fine. Fair warning if you do go the debian route, upgrading from one Debian stable version to the next is not as easy as an Ubuntu distro-upgrade. But OTOH the Ubuntu upgrades are probably the riskiest part of ubuntu too.
Ubuntu won’t be fine on their next LTS release. Snap is becoming even more mandatory. I don’t have anything against Snap per se, but the way they’re forcing it and tricking users when using apt is not right.
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I wish there were a Linux equivalent for what the Windows world had before Windows 7 went EOL, where you could have an older, stable base OS that was mostly forward-compatible with newer software.
You can sort of achieve this with Debian Stable and Flatpak, but it’s not as seamless as the forward compatibility old versions of Windows had.
Bazzite has a couple of non-gaming sisters: Bluefin (gnome) and Aurora (KDE).
Like Tumbleweedthey’re immutable so you can’t mess with the stuff they keeps it running which is why it just works.FWIW Tumbleweed isn’t immutable. It’s a rolling release. MicroOS is the official openSUSE immutable release, but it’s server oriented. Kalpa is immutable openSUSE for desktop, but still in development.
The separate Aeon desktop project is immutable and more mature, and also focused on desktop usage. With Gnome.
try FreeBSD, then Mint.
Try NixOS. If you can make it work for you then you will never go back. Learning curve is pretty steep though.
the curve for someone coming from ubuntu is pretty much a wall.
as someone who uses NixOS I wouldn’t recommend NixOS. sure it makes the hard things easy but it makes the easy things hard.
Then you potentially fall into the trap of configuration hell where you’re just constantly tinkering to get that sweet spot. I have to take vacations from NixOS otherwise I wouldn’t get any work done. Don’t get me wrong I LOVE it but it’s not for everyone.
Tinkering is just the life of a Linux user, it’s not limited to NixOS
Fun fact: if the learning curve is steep, then it’s rising up a lot in a small amount of time. In order words, a steep learning curve means a lot of learning happens quickly!
That’s only if you use time as your X axis.
