I’ve tried planting the seed a few times with people who voluntarily wiretap their own house with an Alexa. Each time they’ve picked it up and ran further with it, like “Oh I know! If I mention seat belt covers, suddenly amazon is recommending a bunch of seat belt covers in my home page!” No thoughts at all of doing anything with this conclusion.
I’ve also witnessed planting the seed working in plenty of other scenarios, just thought this particular fumble was common and particularly funny.
So I have this really creepy picture someone painted of Jesus. It’s eyes follow you wherever you go I wish I knew how to do that anyways my neighbors are very funny. They put that picture of Jesus on their wiretap.
The seed they need isn’t just that they’re being spied on, but that it’s personally bad for them when compared to not having the device. Alternatives that may be more expensive, but are safer and within their capacity are also valuable.
This is especially a thing with ring cameras. One thing I do is be very upfront about how despite being a victim of the sort of rare crime that inspires people get them out of fear, I didn’t respond by buying one or a gun, I then explain why and what alternative I’m going with instead. The cops showed me clearly why they can’t be trusted to use camera footage responsibly on behalf of victims when they were loudly demanding answers about my weed bowl but couldn’t be bothered to look at the footprints under the window with a cut screen, instead insisting we’d left the door the invader left through unlocked.
Yeah, it’s really hard to get lay people to understand infosec issues. I had to create a separate VLAN for my wife because she couldn’t tolerate being behind a VPN or pihole because she wants to click on sponsored ads on Google.
And don’t get me started on how she feels about the fact that I password protect all. She knows my password, but still thinks I’m hiding something.
But I work in InfoSec, so of course I’m hiding everything. Just not from her.
Yeah, too many people think anyone who cares about data security needs to get their hard drives checked.
Fundamentally, just completely antithetical to the principles of constitutional democracy, basic freedoms and human rights.
“Everyone else lets me walk over their rights, so if you maintain your own then you must have something to hide, and I will use that as justification to transgress them!” It’s so fucked up…
I know you’re just talking about your wife, but the same thing applies to corporations, adware, data brokers, and governments.
Unfortunately, it would go right over their heads and they would just call you a creep, reinforcing their belief that you should be under constant surveillance…
And they’d probably go and put a ring camera in their bedroom… you know, for… privacy…
Yes. I use this on people, and some of them react positively, but even those dont care all that much. They understand the reasoning but the answer is still “I dont care”.
I went to Lowe’s a couple of months ago and that night on Amazon I got recommendations for drill bits and cabinet door pulls. The weird thing was that I did buy some drill bits at Lowe’s but I just looked at cabinet pulls there. I’m guessing my phone was linked to in-store footage and AI noted where in the store I stopped to look at stuff. As a kid I used to look forward to living in the future, now I kinda regret it.
I’ve tried planting the seed a few times with people who voluntarily wiretap their own house with an Alexa. Each time they’ve picked it up and ran further with it, like “Oh I know! If I mention seat belt covers, suddenly amazon is recommending a bunch of seat belt covers in my home page!” No thoughts at all of doing anything with this conclusion.
I’ve also witnessed planting the seed working in plenty of other scenarios, just thought this particular fumble was common and particularly funny.
So I have this really creepy picture someone painted of Jesus. It’s eyes follow you wherever you go I wish I knew how to do that anyways my neighbors are very funny. They put that picture of Jesus on their wiretap.
The seed they need isn’t just that they’re being spied on, but that it’s personally bad for them when compared to not having the device. Alternatives that may be more expensive, but are safer and within their capacity are also valuable.
This is especially a thing with ring cameras. One thing I do is be very upfront about how despite being a victim of the sort of rare crime that inspires people get them out of fear, I didn’t respond by buying one or a gun, I then explain why and what alternative I’m going with instead. The cops showed me clearly why they can’t be trusted to use camera footage responsibly on behalf of victims when they were loudly demanding answers about my weed bowl but couldn’t be bothered to look at the footprints under the window with a cut screen, instead insisting we’d left the door the invader left through unlocked.
Yeah, it’s really hard to get lay people to understand infosec issues. I had to create a separate VLAN for my wife because she couldn’t tolerate being behind a VPN or pihole because she wants to click on sponsored ads on Google.
And don’t get me started on how she feels about the fact that I password protect all. She knows my password, but still thinks I’m hiding something.
But I work in InfoSec, so of course I’m hiding everything. Just not from her.
Yeah, too many people think anyone who cares about data security needs to get their hard drives checked.
Fundamentally, just completely antithetical to the principles of constitutional democracy, basic freedoms and human rights.
“Everyone else lets me walk over their rights, so if you maintain your own then you must have something to hide, and I will use that as justification to transgress them!” It’s so fucked up…
I know you’re just talking about your wife, but the same thing applies to corporations, adware, data brokers, and governments.
I like to ask the “I have nothing to hide” people if I can go paw through their underwear drawer.
I mean, most everyone wears it, so it’s not like it’s something to hide, right?
Unfortunately, it would go right over their heads and they would just call you a creep, reinforcing their belief that you should be under constant surveillance…
And they’d probably go and put a ring camera in their bedroom… you know, for… privacy…
Yes. I use this on people, and some of them react positively, but even those dont care all that much. They understand the reasoning but the answer is still “I dont care”.
Infosec seems like a depressing job to be in atm.
People actually click those? That’s horrifying.
Yeah, I agree
I went to Lowe’s a couple of months ago and that night on Amazon I got recommendations for drill bits and cabinet door pulls. The weird thing was that I did buy some drill bits at Lowe’s but I just looked at cabinet pulls there. I’m guessing my phone was linked to in-store footage and AI noted where in the store I stopped to look at stuff. As a kid I used to look forward to living in the future, now I kinda regret it.
Might be Bluetooth beacon tracking: https://www.mokosmart.com/bluetooth-proximity-marketing-ble-beacons/
Seems like these should typically be used by store apps, but who knows when other apps have like 37,876 trusted partners they share data with.
There might be some kind of RFID in the shelves that senses your phone’s proximity and how long it lingers…