Some comrades over at Hexbear have organized a donation drive for Palestine and, over the past few weeks, have managed to raise over $1500 for verified Palestinian fundraisers. The fediverse is a good place full of good people.
Still overall net negative on the society. They’d have to raise billions to check out not a half of 1990s Honda civic
“Yeah, they may be one of the safest spaces for Trans people on the internet, unapologetically antizionist and anti imperialist, and raise thousands of dollars for struggling Palestinians, but did you know that they dunked on me once when I said that China is bad?”
Nice
Broken clock effect.
At the end of the day, they’re still authoritarian bootlickers, and they should not be given any slack because they did one good deed. Fuck Hexbear. They’re as evil as MAGA as far as I’m concerned.
havent come across hexbear much so im not really aware of their stances but i think calling a lemmy instance “as evil as MAGA” is kind of a stretch
Sorry that we want free healthcare, education, and we opose imperialism.
Thanks for your engagement on the post! It really helps with visibility
Most countries can have all that without being authoritarian bootlickers.
Maybe a good thing they did.
I hope they verified well. There‘s a hole industry of scammers in this sector.
You can check the comments in the linked previous post in which they organized the fundraiser, I believe someone left a tool for verifying the accounts in the comments
Third such fundraiser in hexbear, maybe it’s time to reconsider who’s the worst person :P
Let’s not kid ourselves $1500 is a joke and accomplishes nothing.
Then organize your own fundraiser and triple the amount, the more the merrier!
Hexbear banned me just for posting a meme of Bernie Sanders kissing Vladimir Putin with the caption “Tankies ❤️ Dead Palestinians”.
I don’t care how much money they raise. They are monsters. Inhuman, vile, irredeemable filth. Anyone who doesn’t let me post in their community is the worst kind of pond scum.
what a grumpy bear
Damn, almost had me in the first half, commendable sarcasm comrade, made me chuckle
Let me know when they’ll do a fundraiser for Ukraine…
Edit: the tankies are here to brigade this thread… someone lit the fires of hexbear lol
Let me know when .world does anything to help anyone ever.
Nah but the zionazis are.
Also: WhAtAbOuTiSm?!
Are three fundraisers for Palestine not good enough for you? I don’t think this is the correct community or post to expose such animosity, this fundraiser is a good thing for people who are suffering under Isntreals thumb and I believe that should be the focus: if you want to own hexbears epic style, the best way to do so would be to organize your own fundraiser outside hexbear for Palestinians.
In my experience, hexbears have no animosity towards Ukrainians. I don’t want to get political because this is not the appropriate comm for this, you can disagree with the geopolitical analysis of the situation with hexbears but they surely don’t want Ukrainians thrown into a meat grinder (nor Russians for that matter) and have no animosity for Ukrainians as a people, in a similar way to how many people criticise the Iranian government’s policy without hating on Iranian people.
No its not good enough. They’ve done far more damage to Palestine by advocating against Harris in 2024.
Sure, advocating for “most-lethal-armed-forces-in-the-world Harris” would have totally saved Gaza, it’s not like the ramping up of the genocide started during Democrat rule, and not like Democrats were sending the cops to beat up anti-genocide protestors at universities!
Are three fundraisers for Palestine not good enough for you? I don’t think this is the correct community or post to expose such animosity, this fundraiser is a good thing for people who are suffering under Isntreals thumb and I believe that should be the focus: if you want to own hexbears epic style, the best way to do so would be to organize your own fundraiser outside hexbear for Palestinians.
That’s not the point, it’s great they’re doing something good but they spread intolerance via propaganda from authoritarian countries.
In my experience, hexbears have no animosity towards Ukrainians. I don’t want to get political because this is not the appropriate comm for this, you can disagree with the geopolitical analysis of the situation with hexbears but they surely don’t want Ukrainians thrown into a meat grinder (nor Russians for that matter) and have no animosity for Ukrainians as a people, in a similar way to how many people criticise the Iranian government’s policy without hating on Iranian people.
You must be blind then, because.ml and hexbear are both massive voices on Ukraine being filled with Nazis and it should be wiped out and returned to russia. The only reason they hate what Israel is doing is because Israel is backed by the west, which they hate.
Would you be here saying how great it is for a white supremacists group raising funds for something? Probably not.
Tolerance of the intolerant must not be allowed.
They’re horrible because they disagree with the amount of Nazis in Ukraine?
What percentage of Nazis in Ukraine would you consider “tolerant”, when does the switch flip from “tolerant” to “intolerant”?
Everyone gets called Nazis, sitting at a table with Nazis makes you a Nazi, and so on.
but also, the ukrainian state genuinely has a nazi problem, not that russia’s invasion had anything to do with that really
propaganda doesn’t make it wrong. They DO genuinely have a Nazi problem, see far-right Azov movement. Would you agree that is a problem? Or do you assert that is fake, and the movement never happened or something?
Is “the left chapter” and hundreds of other sources all Russian propaganda? there is a ton of information online, all fake?
So then everyone has a nazi problem and russia should just be invading everyone…if you haven’t picked up yet…there are a lot of right wing movements out there. Guess Russia should start bombing civilians in other countries then.
Guess they should start in their own backyard though.
https://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2022/opinion/russias-long-history-of-neo-nazis
Why everyone?
Wouldn’t it be reasonable for Ukraine not to have Nazi military brigades? Is that a bridge too far for you, a Ukrainian?
Isn’t that an official arm of your government? Are they right wing nationalists or not? I’ve seen them wear SS badges on many occasions, is that AI or fake? You would know better than I.
I agree, Russia should start in their own backyard, as should all nations. I am against all Nazis and far-right nationalists, in every country, and against armed invasion (like USA’s Iran war and Russia’s invasion).
So… you still have a Nazi problem, and in your armed forces no less… do you agree? Or are they not a problem for you? Or are they fake news?
and it should be wiped out and returned to russia
You are definitely making this up, saying something like this would first get you dunked and then banned, feel free to do the experiment. I’m saying this as both a frequent hexbear user and someone who hosted a Ukrainian refugee in my own home at the beginning of the war. Again, not the correct post or community to be arguing about this shit.
https://hexbear.net/post/253926
I dunno what instance you think I’m talking about but literally hexbear users saying shit like:
“(but also, the ukrainian state genuinely has a nazi problem, not that russia’s invasion had anything to do with that really).”
Is not pro Ukrainian, it’s russian propaganda.
You might need to check and see if the hexbear I’m talking about is the same one you are thinking of.
I’m not here discussing your support for Ukrainians, I have family in Ukraine, so thank you for taking refugees in.
Great, so now you’re moving the goalposts from hexbear users saying “Ukrainians should be wiped out” to “the Ukrainian government has a Nazi problem”, at least you realized how utterly ridiculous your first claim was.
Also, “not that Russia’s invasion had anything to do with that” is literally the opposite of Russian propaganda, Russian propaganda explicitly claims that the purpose of the invasion was to denazify Ukraine’s government, so claiming that the invasion had nothing to do with that is explicitly saying that the propaganda is false.
It’s a much more sensible and reasonable claim about politics and geopolitics that doesn’t wish any evil on Ukrainians, as I originally argued. You may disagree with it as I said, but again, idk why you feel so compelled to bring this whataboutism in a post about fundraising for Palestine. It seems to me that you couldn’t easily find anything contradicting what I said, so you moved the goalposts and tried to make it sound different?
Edit: holy shit you’re being disingenuous, the post you’re quoting literally says the following: “the working people of ukraine are suffering due to the profitable war mongering of capitalist powers” right before what you pasted here. I will now proceed to disengage with you because you just proved to me that you’re not arguing in good faith, you’re making shit up, moving the goalposts and cherrypicking quotes then misinterpreting them willingly.
well, at least there will be a positive effect from them for once
AFAIK it’s the third such fundraiser from over there
that’s genuinely nice
I’ve never heard of Hexbear. Care to explain?
Come see for yourself. I did.
They are authoritarian left and even though Russia is not a leftist country they will refuse to say a single thing bad about Russia, China, and some will even say nothing is wrong with north Korea. If you search the instance for ‘Ukraine’ you will see them saying Russia is the good guy in the Ukrainian war. They will say things like authoritarianism doesn’t actually exist. I legitimately wonder how many posts are state sponsored lol. There are a lot of them on lemmy.ml as well
Just a week ago I had a conversation with someone that is thinking that Russia is a still a communist country and was arguing if I was sure about the opposite
They are authoritarian left
Oh? What authority do they posses?
If you search the instance for ‘Ukraine’ you will see them saying Russia is the good guy
https://hexbear.net/search?q=Ukraine&type=All&listingType=All&page=1&sort=TopAll&titleOnly=false
shrug
Many instances defederated from them because a large chunk of the user base was abusive and brigading. To an extent even the worst right wing instances federated couldn’t match.
Lemmy.world defederated from hexbear “pre-emptively” before they even had federation active. To this day, I have never seen this mythical hexbear brigading.
Yes. And people including myself have accounts on other servers. And experienced it personally 3-4 years ago. That you didn’t experience it doesn’t disprove it. There’s a reason many of us chose servers like world as primary, that didn’t federate.
It’s more often the reverse. You’ll see accounts in hexbear-adjacent servers posting “Why Stalin Was Worse Than Hitler” tier content, getting banned, and then coming over to .world to scream and cry about how they’ve been censored by the mean Tankies.
Not disputing your claim, as it doesn’t surprise me at all, but I’m curious: What are “the worst right wing instances” ?
I haven’t paid enough attention to notice any instances with a consistent and noticeable right-wing lean.
Seconded, I am curious, too. I’ve only seen Tankies, Democrats, and Anarchists in lemmy.world, I haven’t come across one Trump supporter in months.
There used to be exploding-heads.com, it was right-wing but not particularly active IIRC
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I don’t like tankies much either but I’ve seen way worse from the fascists.
To be fair, they did specify right-wing Lemmy instances, not right-wingers in general, and I can’t think of any instances that would meet that definition off the top of my head.
But Hexbear definitely has a reputation as some of the worst of the worst of the normal instances. Blahaj defederated from them despite Ada trying to get the trans communities of both instances connected because of the harassment, brigading, and outright transphobia Hexbear inflicted on Blahaj users for not being the right kind of leftists. You can still find the community discussions on the topic in the general instance posts. They even tried to claim that Blahaj was being transphobic to them. You know, the LGBTQ instance created and ran to be a space for trans people and others first and foremost.
Hexbear is also known to have at least once tried to convince their mods to “take over other instances and ban all the non-communists.”
I believe that at this point if you were to download the stuff to spin up your own instance, Hexbear is on the list of instances that are defederated by default because so many instances have defederated them because of their behavior.
Ultimately that comes down to personal experience and circumstance. And as you can see a lot of people either experienced it themselves or saw it as well. And I don’t think it’s controversial to say that the Chapo Trap House crew are rather immature. Unfortunately for you a lot of the evidence that you’re searching for is lost to time on instances that were Federated that have shut down. If you have access to hexbear you could probably find some of them I’m sure lurking around from 3 to 4 years ago.
Not going to lie I haven’t interacted with them in at least 3 years and I haven’t missed it. Maybe they’ve matured. Anything is possible.
I saw right wingers raging (rarely), but there would be a post about Bernie sanders and every time there’s a hexbear user saying “this capitalist bootlicking swine, I never want to see his revolting war criminal face again.” And replied to all comments saying “wtf is wrong with you” with similar comments. Go check the thread of my instance asking if we should defederate, I can find it if you want. So many people who said “the toxicity from hexbear is overwhelming,” myself included.
I don’t disagree with you. I think that we should encourage the hexbears to be pitted against the great danger first - fascism. When I discuss factionalism and solidarity, I try to put the accent on “I understand your criticism, and that is why we should focus on the great danger: fascism and corporatism. If we will grow without compromising, we must rally all behind that cause, so that we foster solidarity.”
Propaganda at its core, is “sling something at the wall often enough and it becomes truth”.
Not really sure if it’s useful to ask if diarrea or regular shit is worse.
I don’t want to step in either
Well, for one, in eg. East Germany, homosexuality was decriminalised before in the West.
In fascist Italy and Germany, you were sent to a concentration camp.
And women’s rights, and public infrastructure, and access to education etc.
True. That’s what the east reserved for people who critizised the state
There were no concentration camps in the Eastern Block, though, the word you’re looking for is “prison”, which exists in all societies (mostly in the US though).
As for criticising the state, you couldn’t publicly criticise the party leader or the communist model in public without getting in trouble (no jail for just talking though), but as they say “in communism you couldn’t criticise one person (the party leader), in capitalism you can’t criticise your boss or your company”.
hexbear.net is an explicitly and unapologetically instance of Lemmy. They’re known for their active userbase, light trigger on banning Zionist, transphobic or even pro-western content (which angers many people who live in the west), and their love for beanis
You guys are so weird. Russia is awful for non-cis people and you’re all falling over yourselves simping for them.
Nobody simps for Russia over in Hexbear, internal policy is terrible, but the fact is that it’s been forced by the west to adopt many anti-imperialist policies, which communists are right to offer CRITICAL support
Got it. Everything is the west’s fault. Very nuanced.
Not everything, but as things stand, most things yesh. It’s what happens when you concentrate power for 100 years in one or two capitalist nations.
To you, “nuance” simply means “other nations must be even worse, look, I saw it on my western disinformation”
You’re the one who keeps dick measuring countries. I call out specific bad actions, regardless of who commits them.
It’s okay though, the west made you post that message.
It’s a leftist instance that’s very active and will argue with people that post anticommunist popaganda.
it’s just a leftist lemmy instance
Sounds good, but make sure the money really goes into the hands who needs it the most: the vulnerable rather than those wanting to fight to the death.
Have to add that while zakat and jizya are normal practices in Islam, nonetheless the issue is the charity money is rarely ever accounted properly.
The vulnerable are the ones fighting to the death, though. Isntreal is murdering and starving them en-masse with the explicit intent of extermination, and they have the international right to resistance.
Good work Hexbear!
Good shit indeed
Hell yeah
Yeah, awesome stuff tbh
Hexbear has always been really good at supporting fedizens.
And driving away 95% of their traffic.
glances at the traffic that’s been driven away
shrugs
Hexbear: organizes its third fundraiser for Palestine, raising above $1500 in just a few weeks
Lemmitors: I FUCKING HATE YOU
We don’t hate you because of the fundraiser.
You hate us because it’s easier to hate us than to deal with the cognitive dissonance of being exposed to viewpoints and frameworks outside western propaganda. Proof is you hate-commenting on a post about fundraisers for Palestine.
💯
No, that’s not it either.
Regardless: thanks for your engagement and bumping up the post
Hopefully more people will be inspired to start such action
Yeah, it’s for a good cause.
They can send it with a note that says “Were not sorry we explicitly fought against the person who was running against the current bastard that’s helping Israel kill you, but we read a lot of theory and we know we’re right. Here’s $1500 bucks, maybe you can use it to read more theory”
Democrats founded Israel, and love funding them and their war machine just as much as Republicans.
Yes, I know, bOtH pArTiEs, I’m a monster, etc. etc.
Great job blaming the left for the faults of the US government and assuming that most hexbears are even from the US (the one organizing the fundraiser is a Spaniard, as I am, check their post history and username).
Also, both bastards want to kill them, though, your logic doesn’t apply once you remember the current phase of the genocide was initiated during Dem rule.
Read that again, I didn’t make any assumptions about where they are, but I’m not wrong. They fought Kamala like they were getting paid. There’s no way Kamala would have been worse, you’ll have to invent new lies to make that one stick.
Kamala fought ‘herself’.
In USA you need independents to win elections. This has been established fact for many years. Independents outnumber Ds and Rs, at 40% registered (with R30/D30%).
Harris ran an odd campaign, you can see many articles about it… she did a huge amount of Republican outreach, more than I’ve ever seen or heard of… and even ads, like “He doesn’t have to know how you voted” and so on, for months when she was already short on time.
They don’t do that in my experience, it’s unusual to say the least. Independent votes are their target, much more susceptible for voting D than any R.
Why did they waste all of this time and money on REPUBLICANS?
I know why, and so does Kamala and the DNC. They aren’t stupid.
She went against the math and went for her opposition’s votes… she took a knee.
If you disagree, if you’re familiar with US politics and know of a different reason, please share. I want to be wrong.
TBH, it wasn’t that far outside of the basic corporate Dem playbook. Incredibly stupid and definitely lost her the election, for sure, but Dems have been “courting the moderate Republican” (is this “moderate Republican” in the room with us right now?) since Clinton left office - if not longer. It was the most strange and open version of it I’ve ever seen, but I wonder how much of it was her doing and how much was pushed by the party and the party’s campaign managers. Practically all the party ever talks about is how they have to reach across the aisle and convince conservatives to vote for them. We saw it with Hillary as well. They alienated the leftist vote and their own voters to push more conservative policies and lost themselves the election.
Kamala and Walz had a goldmine when they started calling Republicans weird, and they suddenly stopped like 8 days later. If that wasn’t the party muzzling them, I don’t know what is.
She stuck to all her leftwing policy position and only compromised on 80/20 issues like border security.
Great news!
