• IninewCrow@lemmy.ca
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    How about instead of trying every complicated stupid way to regulate users and especially children … you regulate and control companies and corporations instead.

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      It’s not about the kids. It’s about knowing who is organizing protests, unions, and calling out wage theft, polluters, and whistleblowing illegal activities performed by the government and Epstein class.

      It’s about preventing access to online spaces, monetary transactions, and basically letting them erase you from society if you don’t offer them full-throated gratuity and allegiance.

      You know, just like ChInAs sOcIaL cReDiT sYsTeM.

      As usual here in the West, every accusation is a confession (or at least an idea for later)

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      Or, ya know, make parents take responsibility for their own children and monitor what they are doing online. If you don’t want your kids seeing or participating in things online then don’t give them unfettered access to smart phones and computers!

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        I kind fo agree and kind of don’t. I agree in that parents should take accountability for their children. That said, social media has been shown to be addictive and kids are frequently ahead of their parents technologically. One thing that could help is an education campaign that teaches parents how to effectively monitor their kid’s online activity. Parents need some help figuring out what tools to use and how to use them I think.

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      Utah is trying. They claim they want to hold websites liable for Utahians who use VPNs to bypass ID checks. I don’t think that’s going to work, mostly because I have a lot of questions about how that could possible be enforced. But it’s funny to think about.

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      And who’s payroll campaign donations are the politicians that are pushing these policy coming from?

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    As I understand it, most adult content producers aren’t actually interested in having minors using their sites. It seems like the easiest thing to do would be to have them add some “Adult Material” flag in their metadata, and let consumers respond as they wish to that tag - whether that’s done through browser settings, router nannyware, or whatever.

    Is there a technical reason this isn’t what’s being pushed for? I’m sure there’s lobbying and “optics” reasons for not doing this, but is there any practical reason for not pursuing this, or something like it?

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      We already have multiple solutions for blocking children from websites that parents don’t want them to access and the companies providing those situations maintain their own databases of different types of content tagged so that parents can have some control over what is blocked and what is not. This stuff has existed since the 90s it’s nothing new. It requires parents taking the initiative though and really when we get down to it this is another, "but think of the children, " sort of situation where they are using child safety as cover for making it easier to collect biometric data of people online.

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        The hell are you talking about? Yes there are blocklists for adult domains, but that doesn’t actually block adult content since it leaves stuff like YouTube open. If you think there isn’t full on sex on there then you’ll be surprised.

        The only thing that functions right now is whitelisting and it is super annoying since so many apps open a web container inside the app. All this id verification is nonsense, but providing an actually filtered internet is still nigh impossible for parents who aren’t tech savvy.

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    I guess now we must ban pens and markers because children might draw fake mustaches and bypass age verification.

    So long humble pen. We will miss you.

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      When I was little, my mom used to send me to the store with a note that said to sell me cigarettes, and that they were for her. When I started smoking, I used to reuse the notes to get my own smokes. I got my first fake ID at 13 so I could buy beer.

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        When I was 13 I could just buy beer, the trick was to make it look like you are helping your parents with groceries. So also pickup stuff like a carton of eggs, potatoes and milk. I never had any issue, but it was a different time and in Europe

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          Yeah, that last bit is key.

          In German I think we were drinking in the clubs at that age. No “helping the parents with the eggs and milk” lol

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        My mum did the same thing she stopped when I used the £20 note to buy sweets, that was a lot of sweets back then.

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      I guess its a good thing that the point if this is just to tie a real human to their online presence and protecting kids never actually mattered.

      You know, for a given value of “good” being “actually very very bad”.

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      I slayed my MP. I Photoshopped my id to have their picture and address. Explain how monumentally stupid the law and and how only two groups would support it. People of incredible incompetence or people receiving a Quid Pro Quo. Highlighted everything Mike Harris did to set himself up to make a fortune after being premier and more examples. Went over the ethics commission’s laws or lack thereof. Finshished with “i will be using this id to look at the best of weird porn every day” and I will be contacting the ethics commission with a copy of this letter every 5 years until you die. Invited them to share this with whomever they want. I tied their career to the whole thing.

      If they are going to sell me out to Palantir, I am going to fuck their shit up. There is a quid pro quo with every peice of legislation this bad and we have remind them that there are more of us than them.

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    Good, good – teach the children that authority is bullshit. This kind of thing is more effective than book learnin’.

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    Is it legal to “verify” my age to be a minor? Would less of my information be collected?

    …not that any of it is accurate anyway.

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    I’m in my mid thirties and I’d still buy a mask or something to trick these systems if and when this becomes a thing in my country.

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    Today in: “Just let the parents parent.”

    It’s good to see a reminder that depending on the majority of parents to act in absence of real, tangible regulation is doomed to be a failure.

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    We want your children to be safer online so we forced them to self-identify with biometric data? Isn’t that part of what caused this in the first place?

    Privacy, security, and regulation is the answer here, not more surveillance capitalism. But that’s anathema to the business models of every social media company so instead we get this ham-fisted attempt at jamming the square peg of “digital advertising surveillance” into the round hole of “protecting children”. The mechanical action damages everything involved.

    This system is specifically and very effectively designed to monitor, analyze, addict, and sell people, and this “solution” just ends up being more engineering to that end. Asking it to selectively age-gate content is like inventing a global network for information transfer and then becoming outraged when it’s used for file sharing. Copy is an intrinsic operation of digital data, and exploitation is an intrinsic operation of social media. We’re asking it to do the opposite of what it’s created to do.

    Parents should be in charge of filtering content for their children, and the government should be in charge of using the collective power of the people to regulate companies that exploit them instead of serving them. Asking social media companies to do it is backing the wolf truck up to the chicken coop while the guy hired to protect the chickens tells you “The wolves will protect the chickens from other predators!”