No, it is entirely voting for Trump/DeSantis if I stay home. And it will be the consequence. My patience for the Dems to fix things, as impossible as it is, is running out. I am ready to let the accelerationsists have their fun and leave us a burning husk of a world. Let the heavens fall.
…I may change my mind on this when the time comes.
I’m just frustrated that i’ve been above the board in every possible way, empathetic, nice, and compassionate, just like I was raised to be; and the world has become jaded and bitter, and a few rich fucks have doomed our future. I can’t keep doing this forever. My desire for revenge grows.
Edited to add: This attitude is very peculiar and seems to be specific to whiny liberals. You almost never see conservatives make such statements. They’ll complain about how RINOs aren’t what they want but would never even consider voting for the other party as a result.
Your “other options” are not mutually exclusive with “voting for the least bad option”.
I think this is why the older republicans win over young democrats. They realize that they need to compromise and pick something that is less “bad” to them. The kids in the democrat party whine and protest - but don’t vote.
Do we live in a democracy or not? How come not voting for biden is the same as voting for trump, but not voting for trump isn’t the same as voting for biden? So how about if our democratically elected representatives don’t represent our interests, we DO NOT VOTE FOR THEM? Is that too much to ask for in a supposed democracy?
It lowers the bar for Trump/DeSantis to take a “likely democratic voter” and have them not vote. It’s like playing a sport and purposefully NOT taking a free shot on goal. It’s not quite the same as scoring for the other team, but it’s also not “nothing” since it makes it easier for the other team than it would have been.
Sure but this “sport” has more than 2 teams, and also 100million more participants then who you are focusing on. I’d say that participating in the minor distraction of the two teams competing to see who can get the most money from lobbyists is probably the worst thing you can do.
In first past the post there will only be two teams, but fortunately you do not need to vote for the Capitalists. You should not vote for the Capitalist, and if you do vote for them you are a bad person.
He’s done an assortment of good things. He’s also older and sympathetic to economic “centrism.”
I’d like to see a credible democratic challenger primary him and force him to maintain a more left leaning posture. If done correctly, he’d re-message and it would help him in the general.
We need to pull people out of their culture war mindset and get them voting for their own best interests. Fanciful notions of “the wrong gender” in a restroom aren’t going to matter as much as domestic economic health, global climate change, or a changing geo-economic outlook. We need people voting real-worl issues and someone who can message to that.
I’ll add: everyone deserves certain fundamental rights. So when I say culture war, I’m referring to DeSantis types. I have no quarrel with treating LGBTQ+ with respect and decency.
The economy isn’t teetering on the edge like it was in December. Also, rail is a behind-the-scenes transport mode; it gets some press, but very few people get deliveries directly by train. A rail strike in early December would destroy infrastructure deliveries right before the Christmas holiday but - unless you’re in rail shipping, the average American wouldn’t notice for a couple of weeks.
UPS, otoh, is very public facing operation and 11 million people receive at least one UPS package a day. That’s not packages - that’s individual business and personal recipients. Enough deliveries to cover every household in the US in under two weeks (that’s just a reference volume: there’s substantial overlap for daily business deliveries, and the delivery figure is worldwide). Every Tom, Dick, and Harriet is going lose their everloving mind if their important paperwork or Amazon packages aren’t delivered. And Biden can then point to the UPS Corporation and say “hey, fellas, that’s a pretty angry mob; you should do something about it,” and “Republicans cut taxes on corporations so that corporations like UPS could hire more people and run more efficiently, but it looks like they’re just keeping all that money for themselves.” And those are much better talking points than “I’m sorry I made inflation worse and tanked the economy. Merry Christmas.”
Taft-Hartley gives the president the authority to intervene in strikes if they could present a national emergency. Thanks to privatization, UPS is vital enough that it might qualify.
Still suspect Biden to force an end to the strike. UPS is part of American infrastructure
I’m afraid he will do this. And this will cost him the election.
I won’t vote for him if he interferes, btw.
You’ll vote for trump/desantis then? Or will you kid yourself by saying “not voting isn’t the same as voting for trump”?
No, it is entirely voting for Trump/DeSantis if I stay home. And it will be the consequence. My patience for the Dems to fix things, as impossible as it is, is running out. I am ready to let the accelerationsists have their fun and leave us a burning husk of a world. Let the heavens fall.
…I may change my mind on this when the time comes.
I’m just frustrated that i’ve been above the board in every possible way, empathetic, nice, and compassionate, just like I was raised to be; and the world has become jaded and bitter, and a few rich fucks have doomed our future. I can’t keep doing this forever. My desire for revenge grows.
There are two options.
Option 1: You get 60% of the things you want.
Option 2: You get nothing.
You pick… Option 2?
Edited to add: This attitude is very peculiar and seems to be specific to whiny liberals. You almost never see conservatives make such statements. They’ll complain about how RINOs aren’t what they want but would never even consider voting for the other party as a result.
There are other options. The Constitution affords us numerous rights, including protest, among others.
They said they’re mad that nothing changes for the better and you said, why not spend an hour a year doing something.
I think they’re open to more. I’d like to see more doing more. THAT’s how things change.
Your “other options” are not mutually exclusive with “voting for the least bad option”.
I think this is why the older republicans win over young democrats. They realize that they need to compromise and pick something that is less “bad” to them. The kids in the democrat party whine and protest - but don’t vote.
I’m not saying to do something other than voting. I’m saying you keep framing this like that’s the only thing when they could do more.
Voting is not the only option. It’s a good one, but we have more/additonal.
You made all that up. I never said nor implied it was the only thing you can do. But you should do it as it’s the most effective thing you can do.
Do we live in a democracy or not? How come not voting for biden is the same as voting for trump, but not voting for trump isn’t the same as voting for biden? So how about if our democratically elected representatives don’t represent our interests, we DO NOT VOTE FOR THEM? Is that too much to ask for in a supposed democracy?
It lowers the bar for Trump/DeSantis to take a “likely democratic voter” and have them not vote. It’s like playing a sport and purposefully NOT taking a free shot on goal. It’s not quite the same as scoring for the other team, but it’s also not “nothing” since it makes it easier for the other team than it would have been.
Sure but this “sport” has more than 2 teams, and also 100million more participants then who you are focusing on. I’d say that participating in the minor distraction of the two teams competing to see who can get the most money from lobbyists is probably the worst thing you can do.
No. No it does not.
In first past the post there will only be two teams, but fortunately you do not need to vote for the Capitalists. You should not vote for the Capitalist, and if you do vote for them you are a bad person.
If you choose not to participate or not to vote you deserve the government you get.
He needs to be primaried, tradition or not.
He’s done an assortment of good things. He’s also older and sympathetic to economic “centrism.”
I’d like to see a credible democratic challenger primary him and force him to maintain a more left leaning posture. If done correctly, he’d re-message and it would help him in the general.
We need to pull people out of their culture war mindset and get them voting for their own best interests. Fanciful notions of “the wrong gender” in a restroom aren’t going to matter as much as domestic economic health, global climate change, or a changing geo-economic outlook. We need people voting real-worl issues and someone who can message to that.
I’ll add: everyone deserves certain fundamental rights. So when I say culture war, I’m referring to DeSantis types. I have no quarrel with treating LGBTQ+ with respect and decency.
Same. If he intervenes he will reveal himself as an enemy of labor.
What will he do? Arrest them? Then they can’t work
Probably sack them and replace them with military pilots like when the air traffic controllers went on strike in the 1980’s.
They shouldn’t do that. These people just want a better life.
Do you think Biden cares about that?
The economy isn’t teetering on the edge like it was in December. Also, rail is a behind-the-scenes transport mode; it gets some press, but very few people get deliveries directly by train. A rail strike in early December would destroy infrastructure deliveries right before the Christmas holiday but - unless you’re in rail shipping, the average American wouldn’t notice for a couple of weeks.
UPS, otoh, is very public facing operation and 11 million people receive at least one UPS package a day. That’s not packages - that’s individual business and personal recipients. Enough deliveries to cover every household in the US in under two weeks (that’s just a reference volume: there’s substantial overlap for daily business deliveries, and the delivery figure is worldwide). Every Tom, Dick, and Harriet is going lose their everloving mind if their important paperwork or Amazon packages aren’t delivered. And Biden can then point to the UPS Corporation and say “hey, fellas, that’s a pretty angry mob; you should do something about it,” and “Republicans cut taxes on corporations so that corporations like UPS could hire more people and run more efficiently, but it looks like they’re just keeping all that money for themselves.” And those are much better talking points than “I’m sorry I made inflation worse and tanked the economy. Merry Christmas.”
We’ll see! I’m not optimistic, because this will definitely hurt the economy too - though admittedly, not as much as railroads right before Christmas.
I thought that was possible only because trains were involved? I know RR employees get weird carve outs on their taxes.
Taft-Hartley gives the president the authority to intervene in strikes if they could present a national emergency. Thanks to privatization, UPS is vital enough that it might qualify.