• CaliforniaSober@lemmy.ca
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    1 month ago

    Rogue one was great but Star Wars got messed up by Rian Johnson. Otherwise it makes great sense. The shortened fan edits even more so…

    Rian needs to fuck off into the night à la Star Wars…

    Knives out is cool.

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      1 month ago

      There’s no sense in going back and forth about this. However, the reason why the later movies failed was because of JJ Abrams and his puzzle box bullshit. The last Jedi is the third best core storyline movie in the Star wars franchise, behind episode 4 and episode 3.

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        30 days ago

        Yea there is some sense in going over this given that JJabrams trilogy plans with Lawrence Kasdan have been leaked and known.

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NhjzADFObBQ

        You can look into it just like the entirety of the internet. It’s okay we already know. Even if you are desperate to wave it off, via ignorance or obstinance.

        His original trilogy plans weren’t prefect and kinda went off the rails at the end but the plan was cohesive and could’ve been saved.

        But Rian Johnson specifically asked to throw out that whole treatment and do his own thing.

        Hence you can see shit go off the rails for two movies and JJ desperately trying to shoe horn in his original plans to salvage the whole thing. You can literally see elements of his original plan in the last film but they make no sense because of the second film. It’s a shit show.

        It’s a shit show and a total fuck up but yea there is no sense in going back and forth about this with you if you haven’t even considered half of it so stop bothering.

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          29 days ago

          Why would somebody as force sensitive as Luke not know his best friend in the entire universe was killed by his son? Leia knew. Are you saying Leia is more force-sensitive than luke?

          Jj Abrams did not understand the fundamental canon of Star wars. The force awakens completely ignored the logic set up in the original trilogy. Rian Johnson had to come in and create a movie that honored the logic of the original trilogy while also connecting it to the logical mess that was Abram’s ham-fisted attempt. The last Jedi was perhaps the best execution that could have happened trying to correct Abram’s ham fisted efforts.

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        25 days ago

        HARD disagree.

        Johnson’s a great director but he threw out the Abram’s and Kasdans three film treatment and made shit up in the fly that didn’t fit with the first or third film in the trilogy.

        The whole movie is the rebellion running around in a circle. Mark Hammil was on record for thinking his character was all wrong.

        Lea force pulling out of no where.

        It’s a huge fucking mess with what little redeeming qualities it had were meaningless in the larger trilogy story.

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          20 days ago

          The rest of the trilogy was just “let’s rip off the original trilogy, surely nobody will notice, also Palpatine somehow returned”, so making shit up on the fly was honestly the right decision there

          Plus, Rey being basically a nobody was much better than the weird borderline fashy “she’s from a Great Bloodline” shit