• ViatorOmnium@piefed.social
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    1 day ago

    You would need to be extremely racist to think the good guys won the Opium War or the wars of European conquest in the Americas or Africa, and even centuries of propaganda spin don’t change that. And there are cases like the Siege of Constantinople in the Fourth Crusade that was rightfully vilified even at the time.

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          23 hours ago

          Definition of a meme according to the Meriam Webster dictionary. “an amusing or interesting item (such as a captioned picture or video)” looks like an amusing captioned picture to me.

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          23 hours ago

          If we’re truly being pedantic, this is a meme as it is an idea shared and spread in a culture.

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      Indeed.

      Also just naive to think that there are “good guys” and “bad guys”. When you dig into the nuance of any conflict its almost always complicated.

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        Did you guys just completely miss the joke or something? I mean it’s not subtle or anything…

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          24 hours ago

          The joke refers to the addage that history is written by the victor, but that just isn’t true.

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            22 hours ago

            Exactly. That is part of the joke.

            Norm understands that it’s not true, he pokes fun at it because most people do tend to take it as fact. He ridiculizes how silly that thought is.

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              20 hours ago

              Ill have to take your word for it. As written, it doesn’t seem that way to me at all.

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                20 hours ago

                I can understand that. Norm was a guy that went heavy into sarcasm and irony in his jokes.
                Reading the text as is would make you understand it differently if you didn’t know him.

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                  15 hours ago

                  You’re right, I don’t know him, but I still think you’re making up a deeper level of humor that wasn’t intended.

                  “Luckily the good guys have won every single time” is a very direct jab at historians always casting themselves as the good guys.

                  You’re all up in here like “wull ackshually this is a post modern commentary on feminism because he’s used the gendered phrase ‘guys’ and you just wouldn’t get it because reasons”.

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                    38 minutes ago

                    “I think the best place to focus our War on Terror is in this nation’s haunted houses.”

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                    “The more I learn about this Hitler guy the less I care for him”

                    “Now, I don’t want to get into politics, but this Adolf Hitler fellow sounds like a real bad egg. Seems to me that the fellow’s biggest problem was a lack of respect for his fellow man.”