A podcast with some quotes isn’t hard evidence. Hard evidence is what people are looking for (myself included).
Wolfire’s claims haven’t been proven in court and if they are, then there will be evidence in the public record. But people have been looking for hard proof of this for years. So right now your claim is also a “myth”.
If you make a claim on the internet it should be backed up by facts. I don’t care if Gaben is guilty or innocent. I am pointing out that we don’t have a credible source for the allegations up to this point (even a copy of a contract with the specific wording would suffice and likely would have been leaked at some point in the last 8 years).
Then it’s still the word of multiple developers publishing games on Steam reading the terms they have to sign versus… I guess random people on the internet? I suppose hard evidence will be difficult to come by because:
The lawsuit has taken ages and who knows when or if it will conclude with information
Developers probably don’t want to get on Valve’s bad side to prove it
Even if a game is taken off the store, it won’t be easy to prove it was due to this
I’ve seen conversations that mention threads on the Steam developer forums on this, but I’ve not been diligent enough to save this. Though I will try if I ever come across it again. It’s unfortunately difficult to search for information with my admittedly limited motivation. (If anyone can bring evidence either way, I’d be very happy.)
Eight whole years or more of allegations and not one singular leak? Nobody kept a record of their contract? Not one dev? Nobody heard the news about Wolfie and went “hey wait a minute” and went back and read their contracts?
I am taking these allegations with a grain of salt because the internet sometimes is very loud and very wrong and without a credible source of information (news outlets would love even a hint of proof of this), it’s a lawsuit that hasn’t been determined to be factually proven yet, and some rumors.
My problem isn’t that you’ve said Valve allegedly did this. My problem is that you posited your statement as if it was a proven fact and linked to “evidence” that a court of law might even consider hearsay.
I’m not trying to break your balls here. I’m just saying I clicked that link thinking there was something of substance in it.
A podcast with some quotes isn’t hard evidence. Hard evidence is what people are looking for (myself included).
Wolfire’s claims haven’t been proven in court and if they are, then there will be evidence in the public record. But people have been looking for hard proof of this for years. So right now your claim is also a “myth”.
Do you even hear yourself talking like a conspiracy theorist while defending a billionaire’s innocence?
If you make a claim on the internet it should be backed up by facts. I don’t care if Gaben is guilty or innocent. I am pointing out that we don’t have a credible source for the allegations up to this point (even a copy of a contract with the specific wording would suffice and likely would have been leaked at some point in the last 8 years).
Then it’s still the word of multiple developers publishing games on Steam reading the terms they have to sign versus… I guess random people on the internet? I suppose hard evidence will be difficult to come by because:
I’ve seen conversations that mention threads on the Steam developer forums on this, but I’ve not been diligent enough to save this. Though I will try if I ever come across it again. It’s unfortunately difficult to search for information with my admittedly limited motivation. (If anyone can bring evidence either way, I’d be very happy.)
Eight whole years or more of allegations and not one singular leak? Nobody kept a record of their contract? Not one dev? Nobody heard the news about Wolfie and went “hey wait a minute” and went back and read their contracts?
I am taking these allegations with a grain of salt because the internet sometimes is very loud and very wrong and without a credible source of information (news outlets would love even a hint of proof of this), it’s a lawsuit that hasn’t been determined to be factually proven yet, and some rumors.
My problem isn’t that you’ve said Valve allegedly did this. My problem is that you posited your statement as if it was a proven fact and linked to “evidence” that a court of law might even consider hearsay.
I’m not trying to break your balls here. I’m just saying I clicked that link thinking there was something of substance in it.