Just being a power Jedi isn’t enough either. It was something Qui Gon learned and taught it only to Anakin, Obi Wan and Yoda. All the other powerful Jedi? Gone.
But we do talk about the mess that is the prequels?
If you’re someone that loves the prequels because you watched them as a kid, how do think it’ll be in a decade when kids that watched Rise of Skywalker start posting to web forums?
As someone who watched both the PT and ST as an adult, the ST was way more interesting and better made than the PT.
Obviously they both suck compared to the Star Wars movies I watched as a kid LOL.
The sequels are literally just a copy paste of the original trilogy with a different skin. The prequels may not tell a great story, but at least it’s original.
Hey now let’s be fair, they also stole points from the Dark Empire story line. The funny thing is that people have always had issues with Dark Empire but at least when they brought back Palpatine there we also got darkside Luke with the best outfit IMO and also Jedi Leia.
The prequels were bad in a completely different way than the sequels. They’re poorly written and directed, but the core ideas are good and recontextualize the original movies in a way that makes thematic sense and arguably improves them.
The Original Trilogy stands on its own without any other context. It’s the story of one man’s rise from humble beginnings to becoming the hero who takes down a corrupt Empire and acts as a beacon of hope for the galaxy.
The Prequels change that, with the six movies now becoming the story of the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. They also show how Luke lacks the flaws of the old Jedi Order while avoiding the traps that ensnared and corrupted his father, giving hope that he and his friends can build a better and more resilient system.
With the Sequels added, what story does the overall series tell? That Skywalkers have good intentions but inevitably fuck things up, only to redeem themselves through suicide? That it doesn’t matter if Good triumphs over Evil because the heroes will end up lower than where they started, the status quo maintained, and the same villains will pop back up again for the next generation to deal with anyway? They’re a narrative mess that adds negative value to the existing saga.
If you’re someone that loves the prequels because you watched them as a kid, how do think it’ll be in a decade when kids that watched Rise of Skywalker start posting to web forums?
A decade? You mean in 3 years? Those kids have started posting on the internet already, and they still don’t give a shit.
He didn’t teach yoda, he just chatted with him a bit and told him to go to Degobah to learn from the Jedi priestess.
Qui-Gon never completed his force spirit training, so I imagine it was quite difficult for him to communicate with Yoda in the first place, and he was meditating in a jedi temple at the time.
Oh and it was like the tail end of the clone wars by the time that happened, so I imagine Yoda was a bit pre-occupied before teaching Obi-Wan and by then there weren’t really many Jedi to teach.
Anakin gets a pass for being the chosen one, and then for his redemption arc/self sacrifice…and I guess that gets inherited by Luke and Leah?
Hell Leah is like a masterclass in retcon and deus ex machina in and of herself.
well if you want to get SUPER specific you had to be taught how to be a force ghost by Qui Gon directly. he first taught Yoda, then eventually Obi-Wan, and I don’t know how the fuck/when he taught Anakin. post death I guess? picked it up in like an hour or so? and then I guess all 4 of them taught Luke and Leia at some point.
Qui Gon hard in denial, giving a confused and full of mixed feelings Vader secret force lessons. Palpatine, knowing his apprentice is fragile in that area, lets it slide when he notices, not wanting to deal with a whiney Anakin again after calming him down about the Padme thing.
Which was also part of the reason he didn’t say anything about Vader’s many apprentices; partially because he hoped Vader would train his own replacement, partially because if Vader didn’t think he had to keep it secret, he’d complain Palpatine’s ear off about it like he used to do as a Jedi. It was fun while he was manipulating him towards the dark side but just annoying now that the honeymoon phase was over.
Isn’t it possible that they could just…figure it out themselves? From what you state, it implies that Qui Gon found out about it himself. Very nice info from you and Goodeye8, appreciate it
Teeeeechnically you have to be a powerful Jedi to become a force ghost. Those kids never had a chance
Just being a power Jedi isn’t enough either. It was something Qui Gon learned and taught it only to Anakin, Obi Wan and Yoda. All the other powerful Jedi? Gone.
Until Rise of Skywalker, but we don’t talk about that mess.
But we do talk about the mess that is the prequels?
If you’re someone that loves the prequels because you watched them as a kid, how do think it’ll be in a decade when kids that watched Rise of Skywalker start posting to web forums?
As someone who watched both the PT and ST as an adult, the ST was way more interesting and better made than the PT.
Obviously they both suck compared to the Star Wars movies I watched as a kid LOL.
The sequels are literally just a copy paste of the original trilogy with a different skin. The prequels may not tell a great story, but at least it’s original.
Hey now let’s be fair, they also stole points from the Dark Empire story line. The funny thing is that people have always had issues with Dark Empire but at least when they brought back Palpatine there we also got darkside Luke with the best outfit IMO and also Jedi Leia.
The prequels were bad in a completely different way than the sequels. They’re poorly written and directed, but the core ideas are good and recontextualize the original movies in a way that makes thematic sense and arguably improves them.
The Original Trilogy stands on its own without any other context. It’s the story of one man’s rise from humble beginnings to becoming the hero who takes down a corrupt Empire and acts as a beacon of hope for the galaxy.
The Prequels change that, with the six movies now becoming the story of the rise, fall, and redemption of Anakin Skywalker. They also show how Luke lacks the flaws of the old Jedi Order while avoiding the traps that ensnared and corrupted his father, giving hope that he and his friends can build a better and more resilient system.
With the Sequels added, what story does the overall series tell? That Skywalkers have good intentions but inevitably fuck things up, only to redeem themselves through suicide? That it doesn’t matter if Good triumphs over Evil because the heroes will end up lower than where they started, the status quo maintained, and the same villains will pop back up again for the next generation to deal with anyway? They’re a narrative mess that adds negative value to the existing saga.
A decade? You mean in 3 years? Those kids have started posting on the internet already, and they still don’t give a shit.
He didn’t teach yoda, he just chatted with him a bit and told him to go to Degobah to learn from the Jedi priestess.
Qui-Gon never completed his force spirit training, so I imagine it was quite difficult for him to communicate with Yoda in the first place, and he was meditating in a jedi temple at the time.
Oh and it was like the tail end of the clone wars by the time that happened, so I imagine Yoda was a bit pre-occupied before teaching Obi-Wan and by then there weren’t really many Jedi to teach.
Anakin gets a pass for being the chosen one, and then for his redemption arc/self sacrifice…and I guess that gets inherited by Luke and Leah?
Hell Leah is like a masterclass in retcon and deus ex machina in and of herself.
Luke and Leia also had plenty of time to learn from Obi-Wan and Yoda, or to read the sacred texts themselves.
Yeah here’s the real reaction from those kids:
well if you want to get SUPER specific you had to be taught how to be a force ghost by Qui Gon directly. he first taught Yoda, then eventually Obi-Wan, and I don’t know how the fuck/when he taught Anakin. post death I guess? picked it up in like an hour or so? and then I guess all 4 of them taught Luke and Leia at some point.
Qui Gon hard in denial, giving a confused and full of mixed feelings Vader secret force lessons. Palpatine, knowing his apprentice is fragile in that area, lets it slide when he notices, not wanting to deal with a whiney Anakin again after calming him down about the Padme thing.
Which was also part of the reason he didn’t say anything about Vader’s many apprentices; partially because he hoped Vader would train his own replacement, partially because if Vader didn’t think he had to keep it secret, he’d complain Palpatine’s ear off about it like he used to do as a Jedi. It was fun while he was manipulating him towards the dark side but just annoying now that the honeymoon phase was over.
Isn’t it possible that they could just…figure it out themselves? From what you state, it implies that Qui Gon found out about it himself. Very nice info from you and Goodeye8, appreciate it
plot armor is a helluva thing
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