The inclusion of surveillance means that in various datacenters energy and fresh water are used to make various decisions about you without your consent.
I would rather not own a new car. I would rather electrify my own vehicles. I have already electrified my bicycle.
My right to privacy is not something I will let a corporation decide.
I agree on nearly all points (I drive a Taycan and I’m glad to have modern safety engineering in my daily driver, and I don’t use the data service at all).
What does ANY of that have to do with the specific drivetrain of electric vehicles?
Your stance is against all new cars. Nothing to do with EVs specifically. And in that regard I do agree with you, that surveillance is unacceptable especially when it’s put into our personal property.
Just weird thing to say in an EV specific context.
It has to do with EVs in the sense that (practically speaking) every single one of them is new enough to be infested with surveillance, so (unlike with ICE) there’s no option to avoid it by going with an old vehicle.
Also, nobody gives a shit about new ICE cars, so there’s no point in mentioning them when they weren’t within the realm of consideration to begin with.
The criticism is of all new cars, not just EVs, but EVs are the only new cars that would’ve otherwise been worth considering.
Or in other words, what you wrote is a lie because old ICE cars without surveillance exist, but there is practically* no such equivalent for EVs.
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There were a few NiMH EVs from the late '90s through early 2000s that were produced in low numbers (a few thousand total summed across all years and models), mostly leased to fleets, and almost always destroyed once the leases expired. Good fucking luck finding one of those!
EVs are no more surveillance devices than internal combustion engine cars are. I’m getting so tired of this moronic take.
Our property shouldn’t surveil us.
The inclusion of surveillance means that in various datacenters energy and fresh water are used to make various decisions about you without your consent.
I would rather not own a new car. I would rather electrify my own vehicles. I have already electrified my bicycle.
My right to privacy is not something I will let a corporation decide.
I’m tired of moronic consumerism.
I agree on nearly all points (I drive a Taycan and I’m glad to have modern safety engineering in my daily driver, and I don’t use the data service at all).
What does ANY of that have to do with the specific drivetrain of electric vehicles?
Your stance is against all new cars. Nothing to do with EVs specifically. And in that regard I do agree with you, that surveillance is unacceptable especially when it’s put into our personal property.
Just weird thing to say in an EV specific context.
I don’t think we need to worry about making new cars cheaper, even if it’s EVs.
There are a lot more important priorities in America.
I would rather see cheaper solar panels.
It has to do with EVs in the sense that (practically speaking) every single one of them is new enough to be infested with surveillance, so (unlike with ICE) there’s no option to avoid it by going with an old vehicle.
Also, nobody gives a shit about new ICE cars, so there’s no point in mentioning them when they weren’t within the realm of consideration to begin with.
🎵 One of these things is not like the other… 🎵
I love Sesame Street! Next, the Count will help us understand the cost difference between a bicycle and a car.
And Ernie and Bert will demonstrate the opportunity cost of the car vs bicycle in real life!
Brought to you by the letter P.
P like, all the Profit made on your data and your loss of Privacy.
The criticism is of all new cars, not just EVs, but EVs are the only new cars that would’ve otherwise been worth considering.
Or in other words, what you wrote is a lie because old ICE cars without surveillance exist, but there is practically* no such equivalent for EVs.
*
There were a few NiMH EVs from the late '90s through early 2000s that were produced in low numbers (a few thousand total summed across all years and models), mostly leased to fleets, and almost always destroyed once the leases expired. Good fucking luck finding one of those!