They were the machine. Sorry. If you think they were oppressed in the “meat grinder”, you should see the meat grinder American soldiers put the Vietnamese and Koreans in
Also to discount veteran’s accomplishments completely on the left is completely ignorant of historical facts. Smedley Butler ring any bells? There have been American veterans on the flotilla, veterans have been protesting ice and veterans protesting were absolutely a part of ending the Vietnam war. Excluding all the veterans from the left is a ridiculous and self defeating prospect
Excluding all the veterans from the left is a ridiculous and self defeating prospect
I don’t think anyone is saying to exclude all veterans but if you joined the wheremacht whatever the reason you may have that is a giant minus that you should have to work through before you should reasonably be trusted.
I literally said before I’ve talked to plenty of anti war, anti imperialist Veterans and they don’t talk about the military the way Graham Platner does. That’s my whole point. The real ones do the work iykyk
It’s way more complicated than that because I’ve met Vietnamese people who regard American soldiers as heroes. You can sit from your position of privilege and what tell me they don’t know what they’re talking about? Two things can be true at the same time
And I’ve met American soldiers who regard themselves in the way I do, just because you have personal anecdotes about people doesn’t make the broader historical fact any less true.
lol you made a stupid point so now I’m dividing the left? You can’t just use personal anecdotes to back up your claims. Vietnam is still socialist, too, btw. Despite our best efforts.
They were the machine. Sorry. If you think they were oppressed in the “meat grinder”, you should see the meat grinder American soldiers put the Vietnamese and Koreans in
Also to discount veteran’s accomplishments completely on the left is completely ignorant of historical facts. Smedley Butler ring any bells? There have been American veterans on the flotilla, veterans have been protesting ice and veterans protesting were absolutely a part of ending the Vietnam war. Excluding all the veterans from the left is a ridiculous and self defeating prospect
I don’t think anyone is saying to exclude all veterans but if you joined the wheremacht whatever the reason you may have that is a giant minus that you should have to work through before you should reasonably be trusted.
I literally said before I’ve talked to plenty of anti war, anti imperialist Veterans and they don’t talk about the military the way Graham Platner does. That’s my whole point. The real ones do the work iykyk
It’s way more complicated than that because I’ve met Vietnamese people who regard American soldiers as heroes. You can sit from your position of privilege and what tell me they don’t know what they’re talking about? Two things can be true at the same time
And I’ve met American soldiers who regard themselves in the way I do, just because you have personal anecdotes about people doesn’t make the broader historical fact any less true.
You’re exactly why the left will always be divided. You’re an idiot
If you support Graham KKKracker, you are not “the left”.
lol you made a stupid point so now I’m dividing the left? You can’t just use personal anecdotes to back up your claims. Vietnam is still socialist, too, btw. Despite our best efforts.