IRAN plans to target Elon Musk’s SpaceX and Starlink facilities across the Middle East, including Israel, according to state media. Companies owned by the Tesla boss will be considered “…
I’m under the impression all the stuff we send up, for the last 20 years, had an obligation to have scheduled deorbit so that we don’t Wall-E ourselves.
If I remember correctly there is a graveyard orbit where they send out of order satellites to. Some satellites are too far away to completely de-orbit back to earth.
The most optimal route would be a cyberattack that causes all of the satellites to de-orbit, but that would honestly be a bigger challenge than STUXNET lol.
Those orbits will be elliptical thus they will still go trough LEO on one side of the orbit and thus lose energy. You need two boosts to create a circular orbit. With one boost only one side goes to a higher orbit height but the other side will stay at the original orbit height. The bigger problem is that they can hit other stuff when they pass trough higher orbits.
The only good news is any debris you generate has some part of its orbit extremely low due to starlink satellites being so low themselves. That’ll stop being true once debris finds something else to hit higher up but it’s easier to deorbit stuff this low since there’s really quite a bit of atmospheric drag at periapse.
That seems reasonable. Is there some risk that parts that entered other parts will throw things up in a much higher orbit or would that be improbable? Like a broken part smashing into another satellite at top speed.
Anything thrown up just creates a more elliptical orbit, not a higher orbit. There would have to be a second thrust at the top to bring it into an actual higher orbit.
It would still deorbit fairly quickly because the lowest part of that ellipse would still degrade quickly.
I’m prefacing this by saying my background is playing KSP and inadvertantly making my own Kessler syndrome when running out of fuel braking during a station rendezvous 😅
Yeah you’re fundamentally trading energy. It depends on how the impact happens but orbital scientists think in terms of the average velocity of a collision event and their likely angle. 30⁰ head on at 7km/s is roughly normal I think?
A head on collision means that you have the full kinetic energy of both satellites to work with. Some parts get thrown up into massive orbits even up into medium earth orbit. Others deorbit due to hitting at the right angle to lose enough kinetic energy that their orbit drops.
Overall your debris ends up in a plume heading in the direction of both satellites, shaped like a flat cone. In the case of starlink they might have to deorbit the entire constellation while they still have control over them since that cone is invariably going to shotgun blast one or more satellites on the next orbital string
Starlink has been criticized for filling the sky with satellites, which will become space trash. Iran is clearing space of future garbage.
I’m under the impression all the stuff we send up, for the last 20 years, had an obligation to have scheduled deorbit so that we don’t Wall-E ourselves.
Was that just for spacecraft, not their payloads?
If I remember correctly there is a graveyard orbit where they send out of order satellites to. Some satellites are too far away to completely de-orbit back to earth.
As fun it would be, it would pollute so much spaceflight could become impossible for years.
The most optimal route would be a cyberattack that causes all of the satellites to de-orbit, but that would honestly be a bigger challenge than STUXNET lol.
Aren’t these low enough that they would just burn up pretty quickly?
Not if they’re hit with a missile or another satellite. Debris could pretty easily be rocketed up into a higher orbit from a military strike.
Those orbits will be elliptical thus they will still go trough LEO on one side of the orbit and thus lose energy. You need two boosts to create a circular orbit. With one boost only one side goes to a higher orbit height but the other side will stay at the original orbit height. The bigger problem is that they can hit other stuff when they pass trough higher orbits.
Wouldn’t that end up in a highly elliptical trajectory? I don’t think that would be much worse TBH.
The only good news is any debris you generate has some part of its orbit extremely low due to starlink satellites being so low themselves. That’ll stop being true once debris finds something else to hit higher up but it’s easier to deorbit stuff this low since there’s really quite a bit of atmospheric drag at periapse.
That seems reasonable. Is there some risk that parts that entered other parts will throw things up in a much higher orbit or would that be improbable? Like a broken part smashing into another satellite at top speed.
Anything thrown up just creates a more elliptical orbit, not a higher orbit. There would have to be a second thrust at the top to bring it into an actual higher orbit.
It would still deorbit fairly quickly because the lowest part of that ellipse would still degrade quickly.
I’m prefacing this by saying my background is playing KSP and inadvertantly making my own Kessler syndrome when running out of fuel braking during a station rendezvous 😅
Yeah you’re fundamentally trading energy. It depends on how the impact happens but orbital scientists think in terms of the average velocity of a collision event and their likely angle. 30⁰ head on at 7km/s is roughly normal I think?
A head on collision means that you have the full kinetic energy of both satellites to work with. Some parts get thrown up into massive orbits even up into medium earth orbit. Others deorbit due to hitting at the right angle to lose enough kinetic energy that their orbit drops.
Overall your debris ends up in a plume heading in the direction of both satellites, shaped like a flat cone. In the case of starlink they might have to deorbit the entire constellation while they still have control over them since that cone is invariably going to shotgun blast one or more satellites on the next orbital string
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