I’m reminded of the early years of MMORPG games that had semi-functional economies, and all the confidence games came back. For example, a carnie would sell empty crates for a price on the promise that some of them were filled with valuable goodies. They weren’t but occasionally a collaborator planted in the audience would win a prize.
Maybe we should bring back the tar-and-feather treatment.
Why are sites like this legal anywhere?
Everything is market manipulation, it is insanity.
Always has been 👨🚀🔫👨🚀
That’s capitalism. The greatest irony is that free market has been associated with capitalism. I’m personally not a huge free market fan anyways, as I think it carries it’s own problems, but I find it funny that libs and cons think of free market as a capitalist society.
We have had 500 years of capitalism now and despite every single “please bro, just one more free market expefiment bro, it’ll work this time”, it always consolidates, cheats, corrupts and blackmails. Capitalism innately favors monopolies and manipulation over honest competition and equal ground for ideas.
In my, admittedly imperfect, view I feel like if some society really wanted an actual free market it would a socialist one. Where everyone is actually on equal footing, people have their basic needs met so they aren’t focused on surviving, and people aren’t born with more than others. From there, ideas and items could actually compete. If this hypothetical society kept money and markets, as described so far, and people’s needs were met, then luxuries and unnecessary but enjoyable products could be sold in this situation.
The current system is kind of just the default system that nobody really planned out or thought about carefully. Unemployment, suffering, homelessness, inequality, billionaires, etc, are all baked into how it works. But it kind of mostly sorta works good enough that nobody is motivated enough to do anything about it, plus it directly benefits anyone who could do anything about it.
It’s rapidly reaching it’s limit, though, especially with A.I. and most people’s jobs being bullshit. I’m curious what the replacement will be, and I’m hoping the transition isn’t too… painful.
Except it’s not, it’s intentionally maintained around a set of rules. Those rules resulted in it growing into this shape
I didn’t meant that there are no rules. I meant that if you dumped a group of people on another planet, in 1000 years they’d probably have capitalism again. It’s just one of the the path of least resistance systems that seems obvious at scale. Nobody sat down and designed capitalism. It just kind of happened.
Native Americans lived in greater numbers for many thousands of years without developing capitalism. I think this speaks more to your worldview than reality.
Wealthy people most certainly sat down and designed the systems that allow capitalism to exist. It was not a unconscious effort. Did some things just fall into place? Perhaps but the hyper capitalism we experience now has a ton of law and policy created to allow it to exist the way it does.
A great example of this is the concept of the corporation. It took hundreds of years of lobbying and legal wrangling to get it to the point where they are now. Not time limited, no financial responsibility for shareholders or executives, does not have to be for the public good, personhood, etc.
Yeah maybe. But I’m not really talking about nomadic ancestral living though. Plenty of villages in the country today are functionally communist, I’ve lived in one.
What I mean is it seems hard to have a system that has all the stuff we have today, without capitalism appearing at some point. Electricity, computers, trains, huge populations, cities, etc.
I’m trying to say that it’s easy to implement, it seems obvious, and it benifits those in power. But it’s inefficient and horrible long term and leads to problems. I think all the current laws and policy protecting capitalism were put in place to prop up a dying system. So rather than it being deliberate, I believe it’s just a series of reactionary patch jobs that “fix” problems as they come up rather than anyone actually sitting down and designing a good system.
I would not liken the Iroquois Confederacy to nomadic ancestral living.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haudenosaunee
Imagine a system that has dramatically destroyed our environment while creating enormous wealth gaps and waste. Where some people live with dirt floors and some people have multimillion dollar yachts. Is this the system you are somewhat enamored with.
Did you know close to a billion people have died from pollution in the last fifty years? Would you say all these dead people share your sentiment.
Capilitism is not currency and commerce as those exist without capitalism. I don’t think you can attribute anything you have said to the system of capitalism. Capilitism instead exploits these things for the minority. Imagine an Internet walled off by corporations, trains shut down because of the automobile lobby, electricity used up by data centers, etc.
The capitalists have definitely been designing the systems to their advantage. I think you are entirely correct about late stage capitalism. It is inefficient at distributing money and is leading to some enormous costs that would realistically take hundreds of trillions of dollars to remedy. The entire Earth is the equivalent of a Superfund sight with every single human being on earth poisoned by forever chemicals and plastics.
Sounds like fraud to me. Good thing the US doesn’t have laws anymore.
There are definitely laws. They just don’t apply to rich people
Yet another reason that these platforms are just a circlejerk of insider trading that no rational actor should take part in.
It’s all a scam? :O
Yes. It’s getting to where con-artists and theives just can’t be trusted, anymore.
Wow yeah that actually sounds quite illegal
studies showing that most bettors lose money.
How do “most betters lose money”? The way I understand it there’s a winner for every loser, no?
Bets aren’t 1-1.
You can have one person with insider information win a seemingly impossible bet against 1000 people taking the other side.
The person who wins takes in a ton of money, and Polymarket takes a cut.
Each of those 1000 people all thought they had an easy win, but the only people winning these bets are people who either are the people making the decisions, or who are in the room with the people making those decisions.
Or they’re in a position where they can affect the outcome, without being directly involved.
Like the recent controversies over people harassing a journalist because they’d made a bet, and then the journalist didn’t report their desired outcome, or potentially interfering with weather equipment to win a bet.
That means the wins are concentrated to a few while the losses are spread out
No, take a lottery for instance: many people play, almost no one wins. You can bet on “anything” on Polymarket, like when or where an event is going to take place, so most of the time you’re betting against the market. There’s probably plenty of bets where no one wins at all. Everyone betting could spontaneously agree that Punxsutawney Phil is going to see his shadow (unlikely I know, but if only 5 people are betting, it’s not that crazy), if he doesn’t, no one wins. Except the site.
Its not a lottery though…
When you’re betting on random bullshit and it’s possible for no one to win, the difference between that and a lottery is negligible.
Anyone who believes it’s not gambling… I have a bridge to sell you.
No one said it’s not gambling, I said it’s not a lottery.
He never said it was in the first place
Who never said what?
That winner is the house. Most players lose.
This is just a classic move for gambling platforms.
