My local chain grocery store has asked us, local people, multiple times to apply as we have been shopping and slightly chatting with the staff. We have applied via the chain’s systems. And yes, they expect you to send your CV and a written letter. Then you write out all the info in your CV to their forms. Then you take 5-10 videos of yourself answering their questions.
If you make through this, you get to the Second Level. There you’re supposed to attend a Teams group meeting where you “fight” with random people who are also applying for the jobs, in different locations.
If you get through this, you get to the Third Level where you will be invited to another Teams meeting with one-on-one interview. If you get through this, you might get the job.
The job search is obviously not done by the local store, it’s a “service” the chain buys from some other company. None of us have gotten through. The store seriously needs employees, they have the “search” constantly open and keep asking the locals to apply. The store has too little workers, it’s not working properly. Shelves are unstocked, fruits rotten, staff is cranky and angry. The boss complains in local newspaper that “the locals just aren’t applying for some reason!”
why use a 3rd party recruit system, if they cant find people, this would be costco level of “hiring” except minus costco is great place to work compared all other chains.
since costco is somewhat competitive, i heard its quite hard to get a job there, that isnt night time.
i heard this for certain companies like legacy techs, but not a grocery chain. Our grocery chain(WF) is so desperate they will hire almost anyone, the turnover was very high, because they decided skeleton crew some of the departments, via budget cuts, understaffing. the ones that quit were OVERworked, blamed for not doing enough by higher ups(Manager roles). front end, cs has the worst experience, followed by prepared foods.
Can you show the boss the application process/complain yourself in the newspaper? Unless you don’t really care, because that’s kind of a hassle either way
So either corporate doesn’t want to hire; it looks good in the financials that there’s less spend on employees. Or the 3rd party hr gets paid per person I interviewed so it’s not in their interests to actually land a person at the job - that would only stop them being able to charge for interviews for the position. Either way, it’s a massive fuck up and will destroy the company.
Wait this is in Finland? At that level of dystopian I was expecting it to be in the USA… That is an insane application process for a grocery store job.
Absolutely agree. I think it would be kinda understandable for something that requires +1 university degrees and pays like +3k€ a month… But for a grocery store clerk making about 1,5k€/month? Nahh.
In a way, probably. Our conservative party would like to quit public healthcare and go into a system with health insurances and only private, for-profit hospitals. They’d like get rid of public schools and imply yearly payments. Some of them would like to sell our groundwater to foreign countries as they have already done with out electric grid and postal services. They want to, and have, weakened labor laws and made it easier to fire people without proper reasons. They’re weakening unions. Hell, our conservative prez golfs with Trump. And not to even start with out nationalist party… Or the Christian party.
Our conservative party would like to quit public healthcare and go into a system with health insurances and only private, for-profit hospitals.
That’s exactly what they did here in Germany, and it’s as bad as you can imagine. 2nd class citizens (those who can’t afford or aren’t healthy enough to switch to private insurance) have to wait anything between 4 to 14 months on doctor’s appointments, the hospitals are chronically underfunded (but apparently very profitable), yet we pay hundreds of euros per month. Some specialists basically do not exist for the 2nd class (the few that still do it have zero appointments or are burned out). The usual waiting time for therapy is between 1 (if lucky) and 3 years. Doctors can’t freely prescribe everything they deem necessary as some things might cause claims for compensation by the insurance years later. Or the other way around, they’re enticed to prescribe “specific stuff” just to keep their “business” (the doctors office) afloat, since doctors only get paid once for each patient every quarter. The second appointment within 3 months already makes your doc work for free. Oh, also one appointment is deemed to be only 5 minutes long by insurances. In some regions you can’t even find a General Practitioner anymore, let alone a hospital. It’s deemed “unprofitable” there.
Hell, when I was in hospital there were about 5 nurses for up to 32 cancer (!) patients with up to 8 of them in isolation rooms (including me for a while). At night there was ONE nurse (looked like a refugee desperate for a job) for the WHOLE station. During chemo the bladder doesn’t work too well, I had to call the nurse and waited about 25 minutes in the middle of the night next to a wet bed after scrambling for clean clothes before he stormed in, changed the whole bed in 60 seconds without saying anything and storming back out. I’ll never forget that, if I was still capable to feel a lot inbetween pain, dizzyness and nausea I would’ve felt incredibly alone.
There’s only one thing all of this causes, which is more money for rich people and higher numbers on stock markets. If they push that shit through you’ll suffer.
corporate kiss assing. since they use things to ask if you are good fit, its mostly kissing thier ass, and playing nall with thier “corporate culture”. job gap, and “what do you see your self in 5 years” probably guaging if you flake on the company as soon as you are hired.
I’m starting to think this is what’s happening to the local stores in my neighborhood that are only small but still part of a bigger franchise. They are always understaffed and looking for new staff.
i notice grocery stores burn people out so they have turn over, hence the shortstaffing. but in my area, one bougie chain pride itself on “eco friendly” just burns people out and budget cuts the deparments. recently our meat cutting/sandwich(hot food) deparment when through some cuts to the budget on an already understaff dept, and 5 people left immediately.(due to asking them do this or that more than thier role required)
I wonder if the grocery store could just hire you directly and cut out the middle man? Like just approach the boss and be like. I need a job. You need worker. Gimme a contract and I’ll start tomorrow
ours use online portals(indeed, or the main website), but we also have job fairs right in the store to hire people on the spots, so that is a plus. the job fairs are rare though(i think Indeed has listing when some happens?)
i wonder if its just to say they had people applying, but the company is using that to lower thier taxes with thier countries tax schemes or not hire enough to justify a budget.
I mean, it fits. Name one thing in today’s world that isn’t a modern nightmare. I guess I’m not constantly fighting off wolves, but modern wolves have your neck in their throat from the time you’re born. It’s wild to me that American kids as young as 14 fought in WW2 because they simply lied about their age. You could just do that and it’d get you through. I need 36 forms of ID and 2 written letters from close friends to get my water turned on when I move.
applying to certain programs/job (technicians) are outrageous too. i was looking at a job recently pharm related, you need to buy this course/ or go to school/ or work 500hrs(working in a pharmacy chain) to apply to take the national cert exam , and then in our state you have to get a LICENSE on top of the certification(CALI), each has its seperate cost: pre- certification course, the certification test itsef, the LICENSING, which has different areas that has its own cost(application fee, livescan, self-query fee). since its a health technician(not a tech as in programming) your wages, depending where you live could be slightly higer or higher than min wage, or at min wage(HCOL=higher wage, LCOL lower wages) for the whole BS process, oh and it takes months to process the license, and these are just HS- required jobs.
Yeah I’m glad I got called back after layoffs. Technology was supposed to make our lives easier, but all it’s done is give more hoops to jump through and more surveillance.
i find odd that the pharm job(not pharmacist) require so much invasive datamining in cali to get a stupid license for such a underpaid job, they do all the dirty work pharmacists dont do.
My local chain grocery store has asked us, local people, multiple times to apply as we have been shopping and slightly chatting with the staff. We have applied via the chain’s systems. And yes, they expect you to send your CV and a written letter. Then you write out all the info in your CV to their forms. Then you take 5-10 videos of yourself answering their questions.
If you make through this, you get to the Second Level. There you’re supposed to attend a Teams group meeting where you “fight” with random people who are also applying for the jobs, in different locations.
If you get through this, you get to the Third Level where you will be invited to another Teams meeting with one-on-one interview. If you get through this, you might get the job.
The job search is obviously not done by the local store, it’s a “service” the chain buys from some other company. None of us have gotten through. The store seriously needs employees, they have the “search” constantly open and keep asking the locals to apply. The store has too little workers, it’s not working properly. Shelves are unstocked, fruits rotten, staff is cranky and angry. The boss complains in local newspaper that “the locals just aren’t applying for some reason!”
You can’t really expect to get a good result without competition and a little vetting.
The most unbelievable part of this is teams working long enough to make it happen
why use a 3rd party recruit system, if they cant find people, this would be costco level of “hiring” except minus costco is great place to work compared all other chains. since costco is somewhat competitive, i heard its quite hard to get a job there, that isnt night time.
i heard this for certain companies like legacy techs, but not a grocery chain. Our grocery chain(WF) is so desperate they will hire almost anyone, the turnover was very high, because they decided skeleton crew some of the departments, via budget cuts, understaffing. the ones that quit were OVERworked, blamed for not doing enough by higher ups(Manager roles). front end, cs has the worst experience, followed by prepared foods.
Seriously? They make you fight other people for the spot? At a grocery store? Massive red flag, right up front.
That is why I always take a knife to my applications. In case I have to fight other applicants, or HR themselves.
That would not only make me not work there, but also not shop there.
In a small town with only two grocery stores, and the other one being mad expensive premium one… Not much of choice.
Can you show the boss the application process/complain yourself in the newspaper? Unless you don’t really care, because that’s kind of a hassle either way
I contacted two newspapers at the time, no luck.
Solution: Misdemeanor larceny!
You know they don’t have full time LP.
…could this be about Netto and Edeka?
So either corporate doesn’t want to hire; it looks good in the financials that there’s less spend on employees. Or the 3rd party hr gets paid per person I interviewed so it’s not in their interests to actually land a person at the job - that would only stop them being able to charge for interviews for the position. Either way, it’s a massive fuck up and will destroy the company.
This is a wonderful encapsulation of the dysfunction of modern corporations.
WTF
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Wait this is in Finland? At that level of dystopian I was expecting it to be in the USA… That is an insane application process for a grocery store job.
Absolutely agree. I think it would be kinda understandable for something that requires +1 university degrees and pays like +3k€ a month… But for a grocery store clerk making about 1,5k€/month? Nahh.
// EDIT; Finland is the true MAGA-Fanboy of EU.
More than Hungary or (formerly, but still somewhat given Neofascism) Italy? Oh god.
In a way, probably. Our conservative party would like to quit public healthcare and go into a system with health insurances and only private, for-profit hospitals. They’d like get rid of public schools and imply yearly payments. Some of them would like to sell our groundwater to foreign countries as they have already done with out electric grid and postal services. They want to, and have, weakened labor laws and made it easier to fire people without proper reasons. They’re weakening unions. Hell, our conservative prez golfs with Trump. And not to even start with out nationalist party… Or the Christian party.
That’s exactly what they did here in Germany, and it’s as bad as you can imagine. 2nd class citizens (those who can’t afford or aren’t healthy enough to switch to private insurance) have to wait anything between 4 to 14 months on doctor’s appointments, the hospitals are chronically underfunded (but apparently very profitable), yet we pay hundreds of euros per month. Some specialists basically do not exist for the 2nd class (the few that still do it have zero appointments or are burned out). The usual waiting time for therapy is between 1 (if lucky) and 3 years. Doctors can’t freely prescribe everything they deem necessary as some things might cause claims for compensation by the insurance years later. Or the other way around, they’re enticed to prescribe “specific stuff” just to keep their “business” (the doctors office) afloat, since doctors only get paid once for each patient every quarter. The second appointment within 3 months already makes your doc work for free. Oh, also one appointment is deemed to be only 5 minutes long by insurances. In some regions you can’t even find a General Practitioner anymore, let alone a hospital. It’s deemed “unprofitable” there.
Hell, when I was in hospital there were about 5 nurses for up to 32 cancer (!) patients with up to 8 of them in isolation rooms (including me for a while). At night there was ONE nurse (looked like a refugee desperate for a job) for the WHOLE station. During chemo the bladder doesn’t work too well, I had to call the nurse and waited about 25 minutes in the middle of the night next to a wet bed after scrambling for clean clothes before he stormed in, changed the whole bed in 60 seconds without saying anything and storming back out. I’ll never forget that, if I was still capable to feel a lot inbetween pain, dizzyness and nausea I would’ve felt incredibly alone.
There’s only one thing all of this causes, which is more money for rich people and higher numbers on stock markets. If they push that shit through you’ll suffer.
You can’t really have a society if you allow Christians in.
Here you go, you can copy mine: 👍
What the actual fuck is this?
Corporate Hunger games?
corporate kiss assing. since they use things to ask if you are good fit, its mostly kissing thier ass, and playing nall with thier “corporate culture”. job gap, and “what do you see your self in 5 years” probably guaging if you flake on the company as soon as you are hired.
I’m starting to think this is what’s happening to the local stores in my neighborhood that are only small but still part of a bigger franchise. They are always understaffed and looking for new staff.
i notice grocery stores burn people out so they have turn over, hence the shortstaffing. but in my area, one bougie chain pride itself on “eco friendly” just burns people out and budget cuts the deparments. recently our meat cutting/sandwich(hot food) deparment when through some cuts to the budget on an already understaff dept, and 5 people left immediately.(due to asking them do this or that more than thier role required)
I wonder if the grocery store could just hire you directly and cut out the middle man? Like just approach the boss and be like. I need a job. You need worker. Gimme a contract and I’ll start tomorrow
ours use online portals(indeed, or the main website), but we also have job fairs right in the store to hire people on the spots, so that is a plus. the job fairs are rare though(i think Indeed has listing when some happens?)
The store manager doesn’t have hiring authority, applications have to come through corporate.
Damn, that’s really lame
We have tried that, but it always comes back to the “please apply by our web portal” and then to “why don’t we get any aplications?”
i wonder if its just to say they had people applying, but the company is using that to lower thier taxes with thier countries tax schemes or not hire enough to justify a budget.
What a modern nightmare.
I mean, it fits. Name one thing in today’s world that isn’t a modern nightmare. I guess I’m not constantly fighting off wolves, but modern wolves have your neck in their throat from the time you’re born. It’s wild to me that American kids as young as 14 fought in WW2 because they simply lied about their age. You could just do that and it’d get you through. I need 36 forms of ID and 2 written letters from close friends to get my water turned on when I move.
applying to certain programs/job (technicians) are outrageous too. i was looking at a job recently pharm related, you need to buy this course/ or go to school/ or work 500hrs(working in a pharmacy chain) to apply to take the national cert exam , and then in our state you have to get a LICENSE on top of the certification(CALI), each has its seperate cost: pre- certification course, the certification test itsef, the LICENSING, which has different areas that has its own cost(application fee, livescan, self-query fee). since its a health technician(not a tech as in programming) your wages, depending where you live could be slightly higer or higher than min wage, or at min wage(HCOL=higher wage, LCOL lower wages) for the whole BS process, oh and it takes months to process the license, and these are just HS- required jobs.
Yeah I’m glad I got called back after layoffs. Technology was supposed to make our lives easier, but all it’s done is give more hoops to jump through and more surveillance.
i find odd that the pharm job(not pharmacist) require so much invasive datamining in cali to get a stupid license for such a underpaid job, they do all the dirty work pharmacists dont do.
This seems like the sort of hiring process to get a bunch of people selected for just to grief the system and provide feedback, as a community.