This reads like “I believe they had ill intents so I won’t engage with your point at all and assume they did have ill intents.”
Like having not seen it and not being this terminally online, let me look up the cast.
IMDb has (credits in order of list):
lupita
Zendaya
himesh patel
John leguizamo
will Yun Lee
Travis Scott
Corey Hawkins
Jovan adepo
These all pass as non-white to me on first glance. Are they the biggest roles or have the most screen time? Idk, I haven’t seen it, probably not, but it’s far from no representation. Is the cast list overwhelmingly white? Ya, totally. Is this such a bad cast list that I’d go so far as to say it’s tokenization? I don’t personally think so.
Like I’m not here trying to defend the movie or the industry or the white patriarchy that leads to unjust casting situations but a lot of this issue reads like a bunch of racist white people being racist and your comment reads like a weird over-reaction like the movie didn’t go far enough with diversity despite being a Greek fantasy tale that could go pretty much anyway and still be acceptable. Race doesn’t seem important to the story at all so the whole cast could have been native American for all I care but like dismissing it as tokenization seems… I guess obviously better than being mad about the non-white cast but still kinda strange. Idk. Would the preference have been a diverse cast of soldiers under Matt Damon? I guess that would have been my preference but even as I write that this seems so silly. I guess it’s not silly when we look at it from an industry trends perspective where we need more equitable casting/treatment.
I’m talking in circles. Person A says casting Helen of Troy as black is more than just tokenization, person B says ignoring that I think the casters were being bad people, I’m just saying Person B might not realize they’re not actually engaging with Person A’s point and they sound a bit illogical. I just want better discussions around terminally online topics so we can beat the distract and rage machine.
That choice is being made, maybe not by mainstream but it does exist.
Tokenization isn’t representation. Tokenization undermines representation. I don’t believe we should accept it as such.
I genuinely believe no representation is better than tokenization. It is much easier to educate someone who knows nothing, than to reeducate a misunderstanding.
And this is the core of our disagreement. I guess time will tell.
The issue here isn’t “white erasure”. The issue is virtue signaling tokenization. Insidious racism.
I think casting a black woman in a role for the most beautiful woman in the world as a little more than a token gesture, personally
The core issue is that producers likely wanted to ride off the popularity of a classic story, but also wanted to score diversity points.
It’s still tokenization.
This reads like “I believe they had ill intents so I won’t engage with your point at all and assume they did have ill intents.”
Like having not seen it and not being this terminally online, let me look up the cast.
IMDb has (credits in order of list):
These all pass as non-white to me on first glance. Are they the biggest roles or have the most screen time? Idk, I haven’t seen it, probably not, but it’s far from no representation. Is the cast list overwhelmingly white? Ya, totally. Is this such a bad cast list that I’d go so far as to say it’s tokenization? I don’t personally think so.
Like I’m not here trying to defend the movie or the industry or the white patriarchy that leads to unjust casting situations but a lot of this issue reads like a bunch of racist white people being racist and your comment reads like a weird over-reaction like the movie didn’t go far enough with diversity despite being a Greek fantasy tale that could go pretty much anyway and still be acceptable. Race doesn’t seem important to the story at all so the whole cast could have been native American for all I care but like dismissing it as tokenization seems… I guess obviously better than being mad about the non-white cast but still kinda strange. Idk. Would the preference have been a diverse cast of soldiers under Matt Damon? I guess that would have been my preference but even as I write that this seems so silly. I guess it’s not silly when we look at it from an industry trends perspective where we need more equitable casting/treatment.
I’m talking in circles. Person A says casting Helen of Troy as black is more than just tokenization, person B says ignoring that I think the casters were being bad people, I’m just saying Person B might not realize they’re not actually engaging with Person A’s point and they sound a bit illogical. I just want better discussions around terminally online topics so we can beat the distract and rage machine.
What are you basing that on?
Probably an empath. How else would they know what the producers wanted
Would you rather have 0 representation, or 1 token representation?
We aren’t limited to those 2 bad choices, so I choose neither. Make original stories with proper representation.
Unless you are creating them, that’s not your choice to make. The third option is getting nothing then.
Regardless of what you choose to consume or not consume, you have the option of voicing your opinion. That’s great, I love that.
And if/when we have plenty of media that offer true representation, you can judge token representation as much as you want. Because you are right.
But until we get there, don’t underestimate the power of a little bit of representation, please.
That choice is being made, maybe not by mainstream but it does exist.
Tokenization isn’t representation. Tokenization undermines representation. I don’t believe we should accept it as such.
I genuinely believe no representation is better than tokenization. It is much easier to educate someone who knows nothing, than to reeducate a misunderstanding.
And this is the core of our disagreement. I guess time will tell.
Were you involved in the casting process? Is it really that hard to believe that a person of color was the best person for the role?
You are being racist by assuming this is tokenization and not just the casting director choosing who they felt was best for the role.