• ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com
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    4 days ago

    So many useful features lost in service to slim and waterproof theoretically. Replaceable batteries, external storage, 3.5mm jack…

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      4 days ago

      These are all lies made by tech companies to spend less on engineering and production costs while selling products at the same (or higher) price.

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        4 days ago

        Yep I had a waterproof android 2.3 phone that had a removable battery, microSD slot, headphone jack, and FM radio all included. There were seals around the battery door-flap and rubber plugs for the USB and headphone jacks to keep water out. Another phone I had had all those features minus the FM radio, but it had an IR blaster to control TVs and shit. Smartphones used to be more serious multi-tools, and now they’re just fancy computer tablets with cameras.

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      4 days ago

      Sony literally has one of the most waterproof phones.

      It is IP68 AND IP 65 rated (submersion and jets) which pretty much no other phones have.

      Headphone jack and SD card.

      It is a complete lie for profit. Just like getting rid of chargers without lowering the price.

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        2 days ago

        I miss you, Xperia Z3 Compact. The perfect phone form factor for me IMO, give me the same phone but with updated internals and I’ll get it without any ounce of hesitation.

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          Their Xperia line all have microSD + jack + good front speakers (so no cutout/notch). Their software is generally clean (nothing like the Samsung, Xiaomi, etc. with loads of bloat), and many of their devices support LineageOS (like the Xperia 1 series up to V and the Xperia 10 VII)

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        It is IP68 AND IP 65 rated (submersion and jets)

        What does that mean? As far as I understand, IP ratings don’t work like that. It’s either IP65 or it’s IP68. It can’t be both.

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          They are two different ratings, 6 to 8 is submersion (changing length of time in water and depth) I think while up to 5 is water jets / splashes (while 9 is fancy hot water jet)

          A lot of the newer Chinese phones are rated for IP68, IP68, and IP69!

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        3 days ago

        Exactly this! As someone who owns a Sony Xperia 1 VI, it’s worth pointing out too that Sony managed to achieve this level of waterproof with a tool-less SIM/SD card tray too, which you can simply pull out the card tray with your finger, without having to use a pin. Sony likely chose this design because they wanted to market the Xperia phones to photography enthusiasts (as can be seen in their marketing), so they wanted make it quick and simple to swap the SD card between the phone and a PC for transferring photos, like when you’re using a proper DLSR camera. And they’ve been using this tool-less tray design since the 2nd gen model that came out 6 years ago, it’s a proven reliable design.

        So yeah waterproofing a phone really wasn’t as hard as some of those manufecturers tried to suggest.

        There are many other companies who made waterproof phones with replaceable battery too with good IP rating.it was never a technology problem.

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          They’re referring to the Xperia line from Sony. They’re water resistant while offering headphone jacks and micro SD slots.

          They can get expensive pretty quickly though, depending on the model.

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      Negative. It was all bullshit to upscale with phones. Remove an sd slot that takes up virtually no space and then charge an extra $300 for a phone with more space when the storage chip in the phone costs $20. Same for the headphone jack. Now people are buying branded earbuds every few years for hundreds of dollars. phone storage sizes haven’t increased for the past like 8 years because they want you forced into paying for cloud storage.

      I have a phone right now from China with a headphone jack, cooling fan, and 1 tb storage, and it was less than a thousand bucks. It’s waterproof and plenty slim with a 7500mah battery.

      All the shitty things about Samsung and apple… all the things they removed were all so they could turn around and sell you more. It has nothing to do with size constraints or waterproofing.

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          Nubia Red Magic 11pro.
          Android $1000. 1TB hard drive, 7500mah battery, 24GB of the fastest ram in any phone, best processor\apu of any android, built in cooling fan, and (mainly a gimmick, but looks cool) liquid cooling for the battery, invisible front camera, ir blaster to control TVs, headphone jack, and two touch buttons on top for gaming.

          Phone is really awesome.

          Bad parts are a locked bootloader, only 2 or 3 years of updates, and the only carrier that it works well with is t mobile, due to missing frequency bands other carriers use, and the cameras aren’t as good as any flagship phones from the last several years.

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        3 days ago

        Exactly, it was a lie to begin with.

        We need to hold companies and people accountable.

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      My phone is as thin as I’m comfortable with it being, I have grabbed a snorkel and watched movies underwater, and it takes an sdcard.

      It also has a headphone jack, but I’m not comfy using that underwater and had to use BT headphones for that.

      You didn’t sacrifice for shit. It was stolen from you. Voting with your wallet isn’t a real option.

      So what are you going to do about it? What are you going to do about all the comforts of modernity being stolen from you as its weight and terror and heat come crashing down? You can’t go back. There is no back, not with the planet like this. Not that you survive. What are you gonna do about it?

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      My phone has an underwater photography mode. It also has a micro SD card slot, and a 3.5mm headphone jack. The battery is unfortunately sealed, but it’s 10,000mAh so should be able to handle some capacity loss.

      It’s perfectly possible to do most of those at once.