Sure, let’s dump on the only guy demonstrably working to improve the lives of his constituents in whatever way he can in a system designed to concentrate wealth and power away from the people.
Perfect cannot be the enemy of good when the rest of the political landscape is clearly significantly worse.
Also, while COL in NYC is definitely not low, the pay at least allows one to actually survive because of the already-somewhat-progressive nature of NYC politics. Compare that to Florida where the pay for licensed and experienced Nurses for example is literally half that offered in New York and there are zero unions and/or worker protections besides, then maybe we can agree that forcing the predatory companies to at least be slightly less shady and let people show monetary appreciation for a job well done when clearly nobody else will is absolutely a lesser evil on the road to becoming something worthwhile one day.
For super-lefty Lemmy, shitting on the most openly and demonstrably active socialist politician in the country is kinda funny.
You’re not allowed to point out how the best possible outcome in this system is still unacceptable because we’re getting the best possible outcome in this system.
I am euphoric at how inconsistent you are being
Please read all my comments in this thread and provide me examples of my inconsistency.
System is broken and needs fixing. This guy is trying to fix it. I agree this is a small step, but also believe its a step in the right direction and an example of a politician putting his money where his mouth is, all too rare these days.
I’m not “blue no matter who,” I’m saying look at the active track record of the political figure in question and then with receipts tell me how this is something actually worth criticizing like a New York Post writer. “His policies are not exactly what I want verbatim so I’m gonna throw a Libertarian-style hissy fit because I’m more right than you!”
Man is making moves people in one of the biggest cities on the planet actively approve of in ways that ease the financial burdens of working people. If I have to go searching through three screens to tip somebody through an online app then in all reality I probably won’t 9 out of 10 times. Which means more of my money goes to corporations where I never see it again versus into the actual economy where the actual value of that dollar continues to accrue as it circulates amongst the masses.
Let me reiterate from my top comment here: Perfect cannot be the enemy of good when the system is so wildly stacked against us. Every bit of progress in the right direction is a fight for an inch we no longer have to worry about later. That is how movements build momentum.
I was mocking you for calling actions completely consistent with their ideology inconsistent.
That’s why I used a quotation.
System is broken and needs fixing. This guy is trying to fix it.
The system doesn’t need fixing, it needs replacing. You cannot “fix” capitalism. The thing it does is the point of it.
Sure, let’s dump on the only guy demonstrably working to improve the lives of his constituents in whatever way he can in a system designed to concentrate wealth and power away from the people.
That’s exactly the problem, he shouldn’t be merely fiddling the knobs of the system to make it slightly less horrible he should be advocating for demolishing it and building a new one.
You can also do both at the same time but he doesn’t seem to be interested in the latter at all. He is a pressure release valve, he’ll get some concessions out of the ruling class but nothing is going to result in systemic change and when inevitably he loses public support either due to being unable to resolve some contradiction inherent in the system and/or being victim of a propaganda effort he’ll be replaced by some shitbag that’s going to reverse all the good he did.
This happened time and time again throughout history but people like you are still going to be yelling “but anything more is unrealistic” even as the we all burn from climate change.
That’s exactly the problem, he shouldn’t be merely fiddling the knobs of the system to make it slightly less horrible he should be advocating for demolishing it and building a new one.
While I agree they should be dismantled This is not what any mainstream politician will do, anyone who will be elected in current American politics will be a reformist. I personally believe that we SHOULD be criticizing him and the other DSA candidates AS SOCIALISTS and not simply hand wave criticism away because they won’t simply attempt to abolish the police on their first day as Mayor. So while I criticize people like Tlaib, Omar, Mamdani, AOC as socialists it does not mean that their reformist views are completely lost on me… Of course I’d rather have a million Ilhan Omars and Mamdanis instead of McCarthys… however not being McCarty does not absolve them and does not make them socialist… I hope I’m clear
Burning down the system sounds great until you’re starving in a mountain of your own waste.
I agree the current system is for shit and needs to be done away with entirely, but society is a little more complicated than Legos; smashing it down to start again costs a lot more than just time and even money.
Fiddling the knobs to make it manageable, proving he can do something in NYC of all places with all of that inertia, then possibly taking his platform bigger since he is a freshman politician fighting a 250 year old established system?
I’m not saying he’s perfect or above criticism. I’m also saying we can still be pragmatic.
but society is a little more complicated than Legos; smashing it down to start again costs a lot more than just time and even money.
Wow can’t believe Marx never thought of this, he literally just said everything would be perfect the very next day can’t believe he lied to me.
I’m also saying we can still be pragmatic.
The kind of pragmatic you’re supporting here is never going to adequately reform or incrementally replace the current system. I know this because it was tried many many times by even more radical social democrats than Mamdani and it never worked. To me revolution is the most pragmatic thing you can do.
I’m not expecting miracles from this guy I know he’s just a mayor even if it is one of the most important cities in the US and arguably the world but the way he’s speaking in a typical weaselly Democrat manner and by doing dumb shit like this doesn’t really make me super confident of his future success.
How much criticism is too much criticism for Mamdani? Is any too much?
Your entire argument comes down to “But Muhmdani did it and therefore you’re not allowed to criticize it”
Let’s say this is the Tweet what do you think about it now
I’d see that tweet and say a broken clock is right twice a day.
Its not a perfect solution, but its a manageable step in the right direction that immediately benefits workers following a path of least resistance.
The perfect solution is to banish tipping and force employers to pay more. The reality of doing that, in an unguided way, is that Lyft/Uber would either pull out of NYC or find loopholes to stiff the worker. Forcing higher tip options is a quick solution, that’s easily implementable and enforcable, as a greater coalition builds of people believing in the government there will be less resistance to perfect solutions.
But for now, something that tangibly benefits workers is a good thing, and it certainly isn’t a bad thing.
pull out of NYC
which would be a great thing tbh, but they would never pull out of such a big city. you could probably force them do double every salary overnight and they would still be able to afford it.
Except Trump only criticizes and mocks stuff. Never says “this is a win for the people” but “I won”. Mamdani isnt talking about himself at all and making a point about how corporations were stealing using the old system and he is making things fair. Is tipping good? Fuck no. But at least the workers are getting more value from their work without capital hoarders lying to them now.
Tipping money isn’t going from the owner class to the working class. It’s just going from workers to other workers. Fundamentally this fixes nothing and if anything tipping culture should be abolished not expanded.
Agreed that tipping should be abolished but you’re missing the problem that Mamdani is addressing. He’s making it harder for the owners to lie to the workers. He is forcing them to follow the laws set forth now so when the laws are changed they have to follow the law or be found liable, which is scary for owners.
Nuance exists. Trump did ensure Project Warp Speed was enacted for COVID vaccines. I lauded him for at least doing the bare fucking minimum expected of an actual leader for once.
Look at every other policy Mamdani has managed to put in place already and then tell me why we should be mad at the guy over fixing another large issue in as sweeping a manner as he is reasonably able. You know, especially considering the federal administration would love for him to do anything “radical” so they can disappear him.
Mamdani you were supposed to be better than that.
he raised the pay of ten of thousands of uber drivers in nyc, yet he is the bad guy ?
No he isn’t. What I meant was he was supposed to force uber, etc. To pay a fair wages instead of making it easier for people to tip them.
Its easier to adjust companies to follow an existing social/cultural norm than to change the cultural Norm and entire payment and taxation system for the food industry.
Kinda also means you have an awful culture, but on Lemmy I’d suspect everyone agrees with tipping culture being stupid.
Yeah, this is not the ideal outcome, because that would be liveable wages. But it is the next best thing and we shouldn’t let perfect be the enemy of better.
Not familiar enough with US political system, does a mayor have a say in minimum wage amount? I thought that would be the competency of the state
Minimum wage is set on several levels - federal, state, city. The lower level just can’t be lower than the higher level.
Alright, thanks. so the mayor does have power over it !
I think NYC has a higher minimum wage than the rest of the state. Not sure if that’s limited to New York, or possible in every city.
