• Lumidaub@feddit.org
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    5 hours ago

    I prefer dealing with complicated but ultimately rule-based stuff like は/が over the utter nonsense that is grammatical gender (and I’m German).

    Edit: and because I see heated discussion about it elsewhere: grammatical gender is a very convenient thing to have (not to learn) and I wouldn’t abolish it (just wouldn’t want to learn it).

    • novibe@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      4 hours ago

      What’s convenient about it? I genuinely see no benefits, as a native speaker of a gendered language.

      • Lumidaub@feddit.org
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        4 hours ago

        Take this example:

        “Bob took his hat out of the bag and dropped it.” What did he drop?

        “Bob nahm seinen Hut aus der Tasche und ließ sie fallen.” “Bob took his male hat out of the female bag and dropped her.” Ah, he dropped the bag!

        There’s better examples, I’m sure, but having gendered pronouns makes references clearer than everything just being “it”. It’s a way to structure sentences that may not be vital to understanding (because obviously there are languages that work perfectly fine without it) but makes it easier. Like capitalising nouns or clear rules for where to put commas can make reading easier.

        • novibe@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          2 hours ago

          That only works if they have different genders. Which is often not the case in most gendered languages.

          “Bob sacó su manzana de la caja y la dejó caer.”

          Bob took his female apple out of his female box and let it (female) fall

          Also from my experience growing and going to school in a gender language (not Spanish btw), grammar classes are way more intense and thorough than for something like English. Most people don’t really have grammar classes in English speaking countries, while I studied it until the last year of high school…

          More complex grammar certainly makes it more difficult to learn, even for native speakers.

          • Lumidaub@feddit.org
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            2 hours ago

            Yes, that doesn’t negate the fact that genderedness serves a purpose. It’s not simply there to annoy language learners.

        • Strider@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          3 hours ago

          Wow, nice, danke.

          But I honestly don’t think the effort/price is worth it. You can make unambiguous references if required.

          • Lumidaub@feddit.org
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            2 hours ago

            That’s the thing, it’s only an effort if you’re actively learning the language. Natives think about the gender of nouns only in certain, rare edge-cases that are ill-defined, like loanwords or “artificial” words (Nutella is gender-fluid). It would make more sense to just define those edge-cases than to try to get rid of gendered nouns.