Gnome is great, and I commend the devs for having the bollocks to come out and say “No, we don’t think Microsoft perfected OS UX in the early 90s”, and do something different that works well, despite knowing the amount of hatred and even death threats they’d get for the change. And yeah, they really did receive a bunch of death threats lol
They even gave years of warning about the upcoming Gnome 3 changes to give people time to prepare or jump ship, and they also included a “Gnome classic” option for a while at the login, both of which they had zero obligation to do.
I’m gonna be honest, I’m a person of habit and routine, so I hated my workflow changing at first, and I installed all kinds of extensions to emulate the Windows way of doing things that I was used to, then one day a friend said I should remove those extensions and give the vanilla workflow a real shot. Again, I hated it at first but after a couple of days it “clicked” and now I can’t go back. The workflow is a stroke of genius, despite being fundamentally extremely simple. I’m personally glad KDE is also seeing this and incorporating Gnome-like elements to their DE as well. The activities view is just such a good idea.
I understand that some don’t want to shift workflow and they just want to continue with the tried and tested WinUX paradigm, and that’s fine. They can use one of the other desktop environments that cater to that (KDE Plasma, Cinnamon, XFCE, Budgie, etc), or they can use a Gnome extension like Dash to Panel.
It evidently didn’t hurt the Linux desktop as the Linux desktop is more popular and more problem-free than its ever been. If Gnome was such a nightmarish shit show like people on Reddit and Lemmy purport, it wouldn’t be the default on a load of distros, they’d have jumped ship sometime in the past 13 years.
I hate gnome and it was part of what hurt my initial attempt at linux. I’m also very happy they’re doing it. Like you say, it’s good someone is trying new things. And maybe I would like it if I really gave it a try. But I also prefer my ability to customize over on KDE. Maybe I’ll try a gnome like setup at some point
Gnome is great, and I commend the devs for having the bollocks to come out and say “No, we don’t think Microsoft perfected OS UX in the early 90s”, and do something different that works well, despite knowing the amount of hatred and even death threats they’d get for the change.
Good to read your take on that bit of history, thanks. On one computer where I have GNOME, it is really nice and comfortable for what I use it for.
Gnome is great, and I commend the devs for having the bollocks to come out and say “No, we don’t think Microsoft perfected OS UX in the early 90s”, and do something different that works well, despite knowing the amount of hatred and even death threats they’d get for the change.
Some of us might say Gnome 2 perfected the Microsoft UX paradigm. Or KDE 3 did it, depends on the person asked. The thing in common would be “Gnome 3 sucks donkey balls”.
I understand that some don’t want to shift workflow and they just want to continue with the tried and tested WinUX paradigm, and that’s fine. They can use one of the other desktop environments that cater to that (KDE Plasma, Cinnamon, XFCE, Budgie, etc), or they can use a Gnome extension like Dash to Panel.
Some of us might become irritated at your attempts to call everybody not liking Gnome a Windows admirer.
It evidently didn’t hurt the Linux desktop as the Linux desktop is more popular and more problem-free than its ever been. If Gnome was such a nightmarish shit show like people on Reddit and Lemmy purport, it wouldn’t be the default on a load of distros, they’d have jumped ship sometime in the past 13 years.
It’s not nightmarish shit, but I get tired even emotionally using it faster than I do with my FVWM config.
Still - I think I’ll try it again. Since it’s a weekend.
Am I in any way even asking people to stop using Gnome? I’m certainly not trying to prevent it either. IMO their actions when designing Gnome Shell were detrimental to Linux, you are 100% free to disagree.
No, but people are downvoting you because you’re just whining about your own personal feelings about it, and nobody cares about your sniveling wahwah words.
What nonsense to spew, the fact that Gnome broke standards between Linux desktops was a huge issue among developers, just because you are too ignorant to know, doesn’t make it “my personal feelings”. The harm was very real, and could be seen widely in many areas, and most significantly on the fact that Linux actually lost users. Where it had been slowly gaining for years before.
Geez, it’s almost like there are no alternatives, forks, or other mainline development branches that didn’t do that. Oh, wait a second…
Nobody is forcing you to use GMOME, and they as a community can do whatever they want. You are free to fork and use whatever version you like, or not at all. The beauty of open-source.
Gnome is great, and I commend the devs for having the bollocks to come out and say “No, we don’t think Microsoft perfected OS UX in the early 90s”, and do something different that works well, despite knowing the amount of hatred and even death threats they’d get for the change. And yeah, they really did receive a bunch of death threats lol
They even gave years of warning about the upcoming Gnome 3 changes to give people time to prepare or jump ship, and they also included a “Gnome classic” option for a while at the login, both of which they had zero obligation to do.
I’m gonna be honest, I’m a person of habit and routine, so I hated my workflow changing at first, and I installed all kinds of extensions to emulate the Windows way of doing things that I was used to, then one day a friend said I should remove those extensions and give the vanilla workflow a real shot. Again, I hated it at first but after a couple of days it “clicked” and now I can’t go back. The workflow is a stroke of genius, despite being fundamentally extremely simple. I’m personally glad KDE is also seeing this and incorporating Gnome-like elements to their DE as well. The activities view is just such a good idea.
I understand that some don’t want to shift workflow and they just want to continue with the tried and tested WinUX paradigm, and that’s fine. They can use one of the other desktop environments that cater to that (KDE Plasma, Cinnamon, XFCE, Budgie, etc), or they can use a Gnome extension like Dash to Panel.
It evidently didn’t hurt the Linux desktop as the Linux desktop is more popular and more problem-free than its ever been. If Gnome was such a nightmarish shit show like people on Reddit and Lemmy purport, it wouldn’t be the default on a load of distros, they’d have jumped ship sometime in the past 13 years.
Just let people use what they wanna use, man.
I hate gnome and it was part of what hurt my initial attempt at linux. I’m also very happy they’re doing it. Like you say, it’s good someone is trying new things. And maybe I would like it if I really gave it a try. But I also prefer my ability to customize over on KDE. Maybe I’ll try a gnome like setup at some point
Good to read your take on that bit of history, thanks. On one computer where I have GNOME, it is really nice and comfortable for what I use it for.
Some of us might say Gnome 2 perfected the Microsoft UX paradigm. Or KDE 3 did it, depends on the person asked. The thing in common would be “Gnome 3 sucks donkey balls”.
Some of us might become irritated at your attempts to call everybody not liking Gnome a Windows admirer.
It’s not nightmarish shit, but I get tired even emotionally using it faster than I do with my FVWM config.
Still - I think I’ll try it again. Since it’s a weekend.
Am I in any way even asking people to stop using Gnome? I’m certainly not trying to prevent it either. IMO their actions when designing Gnome Shell were detrimental to Linux, you are 100% free to disagree.
No, but people are downvoting you because you’re just whining about your own personal feelings about it, and nobody cares about your sniveling wahwah words.
What nonsense to spew, the fact that Gnome broke standards between Linux desktops was a huge issue among developers, just because you are too ignorant to know, doesn’t make it “my personal feelings”. The harm was very real, and could be seen widely in many areas, and most significantly on the fact that Linux actually lost users. Where it had been slowly gaining for years before.
Geez, it’s almost like there are no alternatives, forks, or other mainline development branches that didn’t do that. Oh, wait a second…
Nobody is forcing you to use GMOME, and they as a community can do whatever they want. You are free to fork and use whatever version you like, or not at all. The beauty of open-source.
It’s funny when people want to criticize windowing UI they condemn Microsoft, but when they want to sing it’s praises the credit Mac.
Make up your mind.