This is going to be interesting. Let’s say I buy an article then copy the entire thing and send it to my friend the AI enthusiast. I’ve certainly violated copyright law.
But if my friend then goes on to run the article through an algorithm, it’s not at all clear to me that there’s been a copyright violation by them.
Or, indeed, how you could word a law that prohibits algorithmic consumption of the data without making it impossible to ever simply view the data.
You can download the article and do with it what you wish. Copyright law mostly governs redistributing it.
If you distribute that algorithm, things become hairy. There are various lawsuits going on about AI and AI models right now, that will probably take years to culminate in anything we can refer to. From what I’ve read from other lawyers, this stuff can really go either way at the moment.
Unless we’ll get AI legislation beforehand, we’ll have to wait and see what the judges say about this.
I think you are oversimplifying this issue and ignoring the context and purpose of using their content. Original analysis of data is not illegal, and that’s all these models are, a collection of observations in relation to each other. As long as you can prove that your storage was noncommercial, and no more than necessary to achieve your fair use objectives, you can get by.
Fair use protects reverse engineering, indexing for search engines, and other forms of analysis that create new knowledge about works or bodies of works. Moreover, Fair use is a flexible and context-specific doctrine, and you don’t have to prove in court that you comply with every single pillar of fair use. It depends on the situation and four things: why, what, how much, and how it affects the work. No one thing is more important than the others, and it is possible to have a fair use defense even if you do not meet all the criteria of fair use.
You’re right about copyright forbidding much more than people think, but it also allows much more than people think. Fair use is also not a weak or unreliable defense, but a vital one that protects creativity, innovation, and freedom of expression. It’s not something that you have to prove in court, but something you assert as a right.
What I was responding to here is the idea that of running an automated program on information shared without permission. In that case, the fair use argument becomes very difficult to make, in my opinion. Search engines and other forms of analysis is definitely allowed, but those copies are provided through legitimate means. Downloading articles from behind a paywall and sharing them isn’t the same as indexing publicly available web pages.
This is going to be interesting. Let’s say I buy an article then copy the entire thing and send it to my friend the AI enthusiast. I’ve certainly violated copyright law.
But if my friend then goes on to run the article through an algorithm, it’s not at all clear to me that there’s been a copyright violation by them.
Or, indeed, how you could word a law that prohibits algorithmic consumption of the data without making it impossible to ever simply view the data.
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I’ll simplify, then. Can I download an article that I’ve paid for and have permission to download, then have an algorithm operate on that data?
You can download the article and do with it what you wish. Copyright law mostly governs redistributing it.
If you distribute that algorithm, things become hairy. There are various lawsuits going on about AI and AI models right now, that will probably take years to culminate in anything we can refer to. From what I’ve read from other lawyers, this stuff can really go either way at the moment.
Unless we’ll get AI legislation beforehand, we’ll have to wait and see what the judges say about this.
I think you are oversimplifying this issue and ignoring the context and purpose of using their content. Original analysis of data is not illegal, and that’s all these models are, a collection of observations in relation to each other. As long as you can prove that your storage was noncommercial, and no more than necessary to achieve your fair use objectives, you can get by.
Fair use protects reverse engineering, indexing for search engines, and other forms of analysis that create new knowledge about works or bodies of works. Moreover, Fair use is a flexible and context-specific doctrine, and you don’t have to prove in court that you comply with every single pillar of fair use. It depends on the situation and four things: why, what, how much, and how it affects the work. No one thing is more important than the others, and it is possible to have a fair use defense even if you do not meet all the criteria of fair use.
You’re right about copyright forbidding much more than people think, but it also allows much more than people think. Fair use is also not a weak or unreliable defense, but a vital one that protects creativity, innovation, and freedom of expression. It’s not something that you have to prove in court, but something you assert as a right.
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I’m not saying you should get anything through illicit means, you could just view the web page yourself rather than sending it to anyone else. For example LAION, provides links to internet data, they don’t download or copy content from sites. By visiting it yourself, you’d dodge all those problems.