Nah I don’t think so. I think it’s just a clumsy wording for “add another device,” but they’re all “equal” in the sense there is no real “primary” or “secondary.” At least, I haven’t been able to tell the difference yet myself if one is a primary haha.

The only difference I’m aware of is, if you’re only using one device messages get deleted from the server immediately after download and stored locally, if you’re using “multi-device mode” then it depends on your server iirc but default is they get deleted off the server after 30 days (in case one device is say a laptop that isn’t always running, so they can sync, presumably you boot/connect it at least once a month I suppose).

Hey I get that reference!

For even more “fun”, try opening a file in Audacity / Tenacity, which will default to raw mode if it can’t tell what a file is, and you get to see the waveform and so on. Just take care not to modify and save over an important file with that.

Well, unless that file (though, work with copies of course!!) is a .bmp image. Then try applying some “audio” affects to sections or the whole thing and see what it does to the image and export it, can get some neat stuff.

Praise “Bob” (and Databending).

I like that Signal has a desktop client with syncing. Maybe more messengers have that.

Delta Chat does too! It’s available on Android (from both F-Droid and Play Store), iOS, Win, Mac (Macstore and Homebrew), and Linux. There’s also Arcane Chat on android, which is by one of the DC devs and is sort of his testing ground, with complete interoperability.

I’m like you lol. But I’ve been keeping my testing small, so I only have to convince a few contacts on each switch I’ve made. Once I find a good one I’ll expand further slowly (and it’s looking like that might be DC for me). One of the things I’ve been looking for more as of late is ease of use for “normals,” but still private and reasonably secure, and DC is really hitting that pretty well for me so far.

Hmmm, no lol.

Never used whatsapp, but without zooming looked at first like Delta Chat’s default background, which is honestly HILARIOUS to me if they intentionally “copied” Whatsapp’s background. Also kind of ingenious, makes it seem familiar to whatsapp users, and kinda makes it look like whatsapp at a glance (if someone is in a repressive country and hiding use of private chats is useful.)

But I think you might be right, oops! Lol. It’s definitely not Delta Chat but is similar in appearance, though the top bar is completely different (in my defense idk what the iPhone app looks like haha…ok ok I wasn’t paying close attention).

As to simpleX, I’m not a fan of this.

https://xcancel.com/epoberezkin/status/1983299739283075319#m

Nor their difficulty with multi-device sync which I’ve heard isn’t really a thing they do. That said I also haven’t tried it yet (if I ever will because NFTs, [or Crypto, and AI] are all basically an automatic “No” from me in a chat app [or browser]), so I can’t speak much further than that on it.

Signal is cool and all, but the phone number requirement is mega lame. It also has caused issues for me in the past with my friends that download it “just for a protest” and then delete it without disassociating the acct from their phone number, this might be fixed now that they removed SMS (despite still requiring a phone number…), but what would happen is when I texted them from signal, instead of falling back to SMS it would just send to their signal acct, but since they deleted the app, it gets lost forever in limbo, and since Signal was my default for SMS, I had to change it to Messenger to text them, and change it back to Signal when I was done talking to them. Was a pain in the fucking ass quite frankly lol. And every time someone signed up it would message me “so and so has joined signal” automatically, what if I don’t want someone (or everyone) on my contacts list with a signal account to have mine, what if I intended only to use it clandestinely? Think kids/parents or a woman hiding the app from her abusive husband, IMO it’s a privacy breach. But mostly I don’t like the phone number requirement at all.

But Delta Chat is privacy focused too, and the onboarding is so easy my literal mom could (and did!) do it, they’re also working on minimizing metadata which is a plus, and while they no longer recommend it as a go-to it can be used with traditional email services to bypass censorship if need be (since email is so ubiquitous it can’t just be blocked easily), and the chatmail servers can be self hosted, also the video calling (in beta) works really well (for a beta, there’s some bugs lol, but you have to enable “debug calling” in the settings to use it so if you do that you know). Also somehow the notifications are pretty instant despite only eating less than 1% of my battery a day, and I’m on GrapheneOS, idk how they do that. You can also sign on to their forum with your DC account, which is just neat lol. I’m sure I’m forgetting something.

Delta Chat spotted!

Cool to see other people have been able to get their parents on it too because of the easy onboarding process. I recently switched from Matrix to Delta Chat myself and have been loving it! Got my mom on it too!

LOL it might as well since their weak ass wrists couldn’t take it!

(For those who are wondering it’s of course actually “Smith & Wesson.”)

Tbf 10mm Auto is a real caliber (that the FBI tried to use but “it hurted their wrists” so .40SW was invented.)

https://www.ammunitiondepot.com/3212-magtech-10mm-180-gr-fmj.html

So it’s GUIMP? I thought it was “GNU Image Manipulation Program.”

Well good to know the chips won’t stick to anything since they’re made out of anti-seize grease.

IMO the main advantage that Matrix-Element has for normal users is the branding: Element is Element on the web, Android and iOS.

I agree, though Delta Chat has this too, it’s the same on linux/mac/win, android, and iOS. There’s also Arcane Chat for android developed by one of the devs of Delta Chat as sort of a testing ground but that’s like an if you know you know thing, like my mom just thinks we’re all on Delta Chat. One thing is they don’t have a web interface afaik, you need the app.

Simple user+password login to a hosted (non-matrixdotorg) server takes 5-6 pages to click through.

And the recovery passwords and all that just seem to be out of reach for those who just use hunter2 for everything, if the complaints I got are indicative if most people.

I was spammed with racist copypasta on XMPP once too. But being in large Matrix chats guarantees being invited/messaged.

Good news for Delta Chat is they don’t really do groups like that, you can group chat but it’s more for like friends and family than strangers, I see that as a win in this use case, where if we need xmpp/matrix style public groups we can fall back to xmpp. You also have to accept chats before they go through and there is no discoverability so you won’t get random drive bys.

They no longer recommend using a traditional email account, instead recommending chatmail servers like these (there’s more as well, but they have this small list to choose from in the app or you can bring your own). They say if you have to use traditional email use a dedicated account for delta chat, not one that also gets traditional email.

I like how they are trying to address metadata as much as possible, the onboarding is so easy my literal mother can do it, video/audio calling is in beta and works pretty well (some glitches, but it’s in beta), the webXDC stuff is cool but I don’t really use it yet, and I’m sure I’m forgetting something.

Personally I like XMPP over Matrix because

• Matrix clients aren’t great (even element is buggy as piss on my phone and a shitty electron app on linux)
• Matrix is too difficult for “normal” people (I agree they should get good but they don’t and what good is a chat app without recipients).
• Matrix public rooms have a CP problem, and as such I can’t recommend people join it just in case, I don’t need my mom seeing that shit.
• Matrix was started as an Amdocs project before they defunded it and the lead dev went to form The Matrix Foundation. Amdocs is a Mossad affiliated company that infiltrated American telcom companies long ago. Matrix also pisses metadata to any server it federates with, including matrix [.] org, and I have no proof that Mossad is spying on that metadata but I have no trust either, nor proof that they aren’t, so I can’t trust matrix anymore.

Though XMPP also has had it’s own problems for me, so at the moment it’s my fallback and I’m trying out Delta Chat which I have been loving.

Tuta sucks, they deleted an acct of mine for inactivity, then when I went to replace it they flagged the new one for manual review and said “this addr cannot send mail until the review clears, please reach out to our support team using the email we just said can’t send email for some reason.” I went with Disroot.

GrapheneOS is super easy to install, they have a walkthrough on their site.

Having to register suppressors blue shit at all is the dumb part. They’re required safety equipment in some parts of Europe and Europeans can barely even have guns!

Yup! You’re spot on.

Tbh even if I could I wouldn’t want to, the terminal is so much better for many things. I advise new users to become comfortable with it at least by following along with a few “linux terminal basics” vids like it’s a class.

Yeh

Hey kids you like plain text files right?

Me, who grew up reading/referencing text files daily on gamefaqs for cheats, secrets/eggs, and walkthroughs when stuck on various games: Yeh.