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  • My mistake, it wasn’t Harvard, it was Phillip Cook using the NCVS (National Crime Victimization Survey) Data. It’s only been 8yr since I read the article, please forgive my indiscretions. In my defense Harvard is also mentioned.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense

    Needless to say I disagree with the disqualification of defensive display categorically, but understand why it would be done for official estimates (though that would mean the official would be purposefully low, by the nature if many of them not having police reports or being one’s word against another even if they exist there’s no real reliable way to collect those statistics, so I think it’s best to leave them out.) Mostly I think it should just be kept in mind that the official estimate is based off of incomplete data and is low, lest we end up with ridiculous estimates like 3,000,000.

    And yet still, Harvard the NCVS data* (whoops lol) estimates defensive gun use as 40k higher than gun deaths, and that’s with less than 20% of Americans carrying daily. To say it’s so rare it’s a myth is to say all gun death (60k), gun homicide (12k), accidental gun injuries (~1,500) and deaths (~500), are also myths due to rarity. And also the OG Black Lotus card at 1,100 printed.

    The rate is far lower than the rate of gun accidents, or even gun homicides though.

    Is still indeed not true, regardless of if I misremembered just who said that one detail from 8y ago.


  • That’s actually incorrect, the lowest estimate for defensive gun use (by Harvard, only counting verifiable police reports and completely discounting defensive display, the most common form of DGU) is 100,000/yr, while gun deaths including accidents, homicides, and suicides, are ~60,000/ yr. That’s still a difference of 40,000.

    Also good to keep in mind, only 45% of Americans even own a gun, and only somewhere around 20% carry it ever, and even less carry everywhere every day. Combine that with many mass shootings taking place in schools which federally ban firearms or businesses which often have “no weapons” signs on the door (which depending on the state can actually be legally binding), with all of that the chances of there being a “good guy with a gun” in the first place are still pretty slim. If he’s a “good guy” even if he brought it he likely left it in the car in accordance with the law and posted signage on the mall (or whatever), and it can’t do any good there.


  • Not just once, it’s happened multiple times. There was also the one at the mall where the good guy was then mistakenly shot by the police, that one time 4 store patrons all pulled guns on an armed robber, those are just the ones that I can recall off the top of my head.

    Actually Defensive Gun Use (hereafter DGU) estimates vary wildly, from the CDC (self) reported numbers by John Lott and Gary Kleck (500,000-3,000,000), to the more realistic estimate (based on verifiable police reports, and completely discounting the concept of defensive display) by Harvard Phillip Cook using the National Crime Victimization Survey data of 100,000 DGU/yr.

    But in any case, by the lowest estimate we have, DGU still happens at least 100,000 "once"s per year, and more if we count defensive display (though that’s hard to get numbers on so I leave it out of the “official” count, it does still happen, and likely more often than bullets actually get fired.)





  • Tbf that said

    Hasn’t it been revealed that Epstein is coordinating with oligarchs

    That’s called a conspiracy, the root words Con-(together) and Spiro-(to breathe), “conspiracy” means “to breathe together,” and the conspirators don’t even have to know they’re conspirators as long as they’re growing the same plant, to use a metaphor.

    So it isn’t that conspiracies don’t exist, by nature they do, it’s just which ones are based in reality and which ones are based elsewhere (mostly racism). The “conspiracy theory” that much of the world’s leaders are pedos making use of an immense human trafficking network ended up being true, the “conspiracy theory” that Epstein worked for Mossad to get blackmail material on said ring seems to have weight behind it (iirc it isn’t confirmed but there’s evidence for the claims), the FBI killed MLK (and lost TWO civil court cases about it), etc.

    Not everything is David Icke ass lizard people, some actually have teeth.


  • Dude honestly I cannot recommend this enough, and to all who are in a similar position:

    While you still have your main system as a fallback, get a used cheap laptop with ~8gb ram just to fuck around and try linux, install [your distro] FedoraKDE, and play around.

    If a relative or friend is upgrading and gonna trash their current because the HW is choked by windows, ask to buy it for a reasonable price, cheap to you because old trash HW anyway, but a couple bucks to help them with their new purchase, win win. That HW that will no longer run windows will run linux just fine, and then you can main the laptop for a bit while you learn but still can boot into your old system to troubleshoot and also don’t have to fuck with dual booting and windows fucking with your linux or boot partitions.