It will have been supported for just over 10 years.
  • deegeese@sopuli.xyz
    502·
    21 days ago

    You think the US govt will let MS drop 2/3rds of US citizens laptops from support?

    I think some senators will hold a hearing to grandstand about security and forced obsolescence and MS will be shamed into extending the support window a couple more years.

    • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      19·
      20 days ago

      Windows 10 is over 10 years old at this point. Microsoft learned from XP It can’t live forever.

      Businesses typically lease their machines for 2-3 years so they all support 11. And do you really think the government cares about regular citizens? lol.

    • JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world
      10·
      20 days ago

      They only switched from XP what, less than 10 years ago?

      I think the hospital my mother works at was using XP for all of their computers until like 2018-2019

      • RogueBanana@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        19 days ago

        But most hospital computers won’t be exposed to internet right? And they probably run a bunch of propriety software that only supports xp so makes sense it took them a long time.

    • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
      4·
      20 days ago

      What will the government do themselves? I think they are still running 10, and I haven’t heard of any announcements from agencies switching.

      • hangonasecond@lemmy.world
        6·
        20 days ago

        Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019 has a 10 year support window, and subsequent LTSC versions, 5 years. If you can get your hands on one of these licences you would presumably continue to receive security patches. If the US government is somehow not running on this kind of licence, it would be pretty funny, but I’m sure Microsoft would be lenient and let them jump onto whatever compatible LTSC version given its an American company.

  • veee@lemmy.caEnglish
    377·
    21 days ago

    Most likely an unpopular opinion, but I took this opportunity to try something new and made the switch to macOS at home as my daily device. If I do end up gaming, I’ll probably just get myself a Steam Deck.

  • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    292·
    21 days ago

    I’m waiting for Microsoft to inevitably be forced to keep supporting 10 for free[1] longer than they planned, because 11 uptake just isn’t fast enough.

    What happened with 7 will happen with 10, and they’ll end up supporting it for another year or two.

    Microsoft is trying damn hard to not care about consumers, but the consumer market still matters, so I suspect angry customers will force their hand.

    1. They already plan on charging money to keep supporting 10 past it’s end-of-life date, but I suspect this will have a lot of angry pushback that will result in at least a year or two of free updates. ↩︎

  • zerozaku@lemmy.worldEnglish
    22·
    20 days ago

    Might be a dumb question but why don’t we just continue using Win10 post end of it’s support? Are security updates that necessary that the system wouldn’t work at all? As a kid I have used old Win versions like XP and 7 for a very long time, never had an issue.

    • Allero@lemmy.today
      26·
      20 days ago

      System will work, but it will gradually get less and less secure, which can get quite bad.

      There is an insane amount of ways to break Windows XP and even Windows 7, it’s basically script kiddie’s level of knowledge.

      And there are real exploits out in the wild that target such systems specifically - while the pool of potential victims is smaller, they’re very easy to target unless they are competently firewalled.

    • Mr_Blott@feddit.uk
      66·
      20 days ago

      I reckon we’ll get another year out of it, and I also think within a year, there will be plenty of workarounds to make W11 usable for moderately tech savvy people like us

      The loudest voices shouting about how bad W11 is are always Linux users, especially on Lemmy

      • GHiLA@sh.itjust.works
        15·
        20 days ago

        The loudest voices shouting about how bad W11 is are always Linux users, especially on Lemmy

        If we had nothing to complain about, we’d still be using Windows. It’s why we aren’t.

        • Mr_Blott@feddit.uk
          64·
          20 days ago

          I’m still using windows and I’ve nothing to complain about; I know how to get it to work perfectly for me.

          Go to the Linux community and 70% of the questions are “how do I get this to work?”

          You definitely have a lot to complain about, and yous do, frequently. Most adults don’t have time to fanny about trying to get a program to work with their OS, so they’re happy with Mac or Windows

          If Linux was everyday-usable they’d have waaaaaay more than 4% market share by now, it’s been over two decades

          • GHiLA@sh.itjust.works
            11·
            20 days ago

            Go to any tech community and most of the questions are “how do I get this to work?”

            It’s why they made an account. Go to any Steam game community page, lmao. Linux isn’t exclusive on that one. They wouldn’t be posting if they didn’t have a question? It’s why they showed up.

            Do people go to Microsoft forums to hang out with their buddies?

            I know how good Linux is, it’s why I use it. I won’t be trolled out of using it because it’s too hard for you. I use it every day. I’m using it rn.

          • obbeel@lemmy.eco.br
            4·
            19 days ago

            Linux Mint is easier to use, you don’t have to edit the sudoers file as well. Linux has limited marketshare because of its marketing. Companies aren’t interested in a OS for PCs (personal computers). It doesn’t need to be efficient or run well. They just care about keeping the agreements with Big Tech and that things work smoothly with one another (Microsoft working well in cloud/server/local) and that their enterprise software is running well. That goes along with close ties to Big Tech. Linux can reach major parts of the personal computer space, but it will need to do so without the help of Big Companies, which is a challenge.

            • Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca
              2·
              19 days ago

              It’s party marketing, yes, but it’s also Quality of Life features. Windows either has a setting you can find by farting around in the settings or it doesn’t work. Linux can have every setting, but most of them need CLI work, research, and the wherewithal to unfuck whatever you fucked.

              If CLIs could be listed, explained, and parametrized in a simple GUI, it would make learning them 10x easier. More default scripts for unfucking things would also help (like Window’s old troubleshooting wizards). More status checking and better error messages, so one can tell when something is broken without manually inspecting every module.

              It’s gotten much better, and will certainly improve by necessity if more average users pick Linux up, but it’s a step that has to be taken before Linux sees a major marketshare, regardless of marketing.

            • Don_alForno@feddit.org
              2·
              19 days ago

              Linux has limited marketshare because of its Marketing.

              I think Linux has limited market share because “will software X work on it?” and “are there drivers for hardware Y?” are legitimate questions.

          • Raphaël A. Costeau@lemmy.mlEnglish
            3·
            20 days ago

            If Linux was everyday-usable they’d have waaaaaay more than 4% market share by now, it’s been over two decades

            You are conveniently forgetting that every Laptop that isn’t a Mac comes with Windows by default

      • zerozaku@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        20 days ago

        I actually liked some of the features that came with win11 but it was so bloated that it wouldn’t run that well on my old laptop.

      • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip
        2·
        19 days ago

        I’m a windows-fan since… Errr… The first one. I’m a pro also with tons of win-certificates for everything. Even i started to effing hate w11. It started nice with the hdr and such, but the startmenu alone made me go nuts. Bought the one from stardock, didn’t satisfy me, made my own. If they don’t rudder back with their obnoxious ui in w12, I’m probably leaving and only dual booting for optimal gaming. I’m not troubled by the whole consumer annoyances coz I’m in a local domain with a lot of group-policies. Also global ad-/telemetry-block and firewall.

  • BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com
    161·
    21 days ago

    to keep Copilot off your desktop or learn Linux

    For me it’s one year to keep Windows Mixed Reality working. I’m still miffed that they pulled the plug with no alternative other than putting my headset in the bin and get a new one…

    • Chriin@fedia.io
      8·
      21 days ago

      If you haven’t looked into it Monando might be what you need to keep your headset running. May not work for your headset (doesn’t for mine but mines not WMR and is because of my 8kx’s driver)

      • BlackEco@lemmy.blackeco.com
        9·
        21 days ago

        I already did back when Microsoft announced they would drop WMR, but it was (and still is) pretty experimental, with no controller support and 6DoF requiring external tracking.

  • Nobilmantis@feddit.it
    216·
    21 days ago

    “Learn” linux not even a requirement, a lot of distros work fine as a normal-person-os out of the box (Ubuntu & any of its spin-offs, Manjaro, Deepin, etc), with maybe some minimal youtube/forum troubleshooting, probably comparable with the amount you would do on windows.

    • go $fsck yourself@lemmy.worldEnglish
      131·
      20 days ago

      I wish this was true, but that’s not the reality. If things are not exactly the same, people lose any common sense they may have had.

    • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      131·
      21 days ago

      Eh, I’d say the biggest learning curve is updates and how they’re generally password protected.

      It’s actually not straightforward to a new Linux user how to bypass entering your password every time there are updates, and with how often Linux updates, this can create headaches and confusion for new users.

      Especially with coming from Windows and being used to Microsoft arbitrarily forcing updates in the background. They are confused because Microsoft gave them zero control, while Linux actually gives them full control, and that can be confusing when you’re used to updates being forced on you in the background.

      Linux expects you to be an adult and handle this shit, and does a lot less hand-holding for the casual user, and this can be overwhelming for some new users, because it’s a lot of extra personal responsibility they formerly didn’t have to think about. Some people just don’t have the extra mental energy to dedicate to it all.

  • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
    12·
    21 days ago

    All I need is a native, feature complete, Nvidia GeForce Now Linux client. It is literally the only reason I keep a Windows installation around.

      • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
        3·
        20 days ago

        The web app that runs on browsers, Linux, etc., only supports 1080p/60fps. The native client for Windows and Mac can run at high resolution and max settings and fps.

  • skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de
    11·
    21 days ago

    Win10 gets Copilot as well. Pushed without consent. Likewise if you use a program like InControl to lock W11 to 22H2, you can keep copilot at bay. For a time.

    Switching to any other platform is better though. Screw them.

    • wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      5·
      21 days ago

      There are many many business customers that can’t use copilot. They are not going to tell them to just lock into an old insecure version. You’ll be able to disable it, at the very least, on a Pro license using Group Policy.

      Like everything else Microsoft does that has legal implications regarding PII.

  • tiredofsametab@fedia.io
    8·
    19 days ago

    It’s not learning linux for me; I’ve worked with it professionally for over a decade at this point and started with old distros on floppy at home (with poor success; it got better once I got gentoo and broadband).

    The pain of switching is non-zero, but it’s also not high. By this I mean just the process of moving data around, settings, etc.

    Finding replacement apps can be annoying.

    There are some things that still bother me, though. Certain games still won’t work or aren’t stable. This impacts some people more than others depending upon the type of game. For me, it’s still being gun shy because updates have caused me huge headaches including requiring a reinstall even in fairly recent times. I’ve had to fix one windows update problem in that same period of years and it did not require a full reinstall.

    I have a full-time job, house/yard maintenance, and a small farming business. I require reliability with security (so not updating is not an option) and don’t have time to spend diagnosing and solving issues. I also can’t not fulfill orders, etc. because of an issue bother from a customer retention standpoint but also because when selling farm goods, those are mostly fresh produce with a limited TTL.

    I have 12 months to reassess things, but I’m not liking my current position. It doesn’t help that a lot of the software for the Japanese side of things (tax office, accounting, etc.) do not have cloud versions and require Windows to work. I’m not sure if any of those work under WINE or similar at this stage.

    • NutWrench@lemmy.ml
      2·
      19 days ago

      Steam has a native Linux client that uses a custom version of Wine called Proton. It handles all the emulator settings for you. All the Steam games I bought in Windows run just fine under Linux. And amost all my older, non-Steam games (like Deus Ex or Giants: Citizen Kabuto) work great under Wine.

    • rippersnapper@lemm.ee
      2·
      19 days ago

      I’ll be downvoted to hell for saying this. But in this event I think it’s better for you to upgrade to Win 11 or maybe even move to MacOS (mac mini is pretty cheap), though I don’t know if you’ll find your replacement apps.

      I use Win for work (no choice there) and Ubuntu at home (just browse the net, and only browser applications).

      • tiredofsametab@fedia.io
        2·
        19 days ago

        I use Mac for work and despise it. It also wouldn’t cover the national tax authority and other apps that don’t support mac (though some do support iOS,but those all also support android and not an issue there). They could have sneakily added Mac support whilst I wasn’t looking do I will definitely check again before deciding anything finally.

    • skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de
      1·
      19 days ago

      Similar history including gentoo and distcc to speed up openoffice and x11 compiles with a pile of old computers.

      Put linux on a PC laptop and it just so happens the NVMe controller in conjunction with the kernel driver has some glitch that causes the hard drive to fall off the bus forever. No big deal…

      It’s great seeing a bunch of nvme nvme0: I/O (number) (I/O Cmd) QID 10 timeout, aborting then reset controller then removing after probe annnd data loss. Didn’t have the patience to figure out the bug in the driver right now. Maybe someday.

  • nom_nom@lemmy.ml
    81·
    20 days ago

    If co-pilot remains active even if you don’t have an NPU, and it consumes GPU/CPU resources and can’t be disabled, and that results in say a 10% gaming performance downgrade compared to Linux (these are a lot of ifs), then I imagine desktop Linux would finally get a big bump in adoption, once all the ‘serious gamers’ start using it purely for performance benefits. We’ll see how this plays out.