Popular and profitable things do way more damage no matter how “uncool” they are. Boomers making minion images will only worsen the problem.
I dont know why it upsets people. Maybe accept that it exists in the world and it only mimics real human creativity.
If there was a fish that could mimic and recreate human art would you be mad at the fish?
It’s a plagarism machine that is being used to put actual artists out of work
Yeah, that’s true. Humans are born knowing nothing, learn from other humans, and are then capable of making something new. Like standing on the shoulders of giants. I wonder if ML/AI is capable of that yet, or does it purely regurgitate others’ work.
Not to mention teachers (it steals our lessons and tutoring work), writers (it steals their work and rehashes it), musicians (music generation is a thing), programmers (so many code snippets, so few coding jobs), and many more.
And if the fish did just the same, putting artists out of work, would you be just as mad that the fish exsisted?
Maybe if a fish was hooked up to a machine running terabytes (edit: actually, petabytes, probably) of stolen data through its brain, punishing it when it fails to produce similar results, until it can produce them… Then I would hate the people who did this to the fish, and the people who support them by using the fish to produce art.
Its a fish, there are millions of them. You just get one and put it an aquarium in your house and they create these works through telepathy and telekinesis.
work isn’t something anyone is entitled to
Plagiarism isn’t real except for capitalism and the machine of capitalist innovation has been eating jobs for as long as science has existed. If this is the reason someone is upset by AI, then I would ask why they were not mad at all the jobs that came before that had been consumed.
There’s no option for me to choose a copyright-free world. But, I can choose to not use (or promote or propagate) works made by “AI” owned my MASSIVE corporations in violation of the copyrights of millions of independent, often non-profit-driven content creators (including myself).
Copyright lawsuit incoming
Aren’t they doing this already? Seriously have any of you been on facebook. It’s full of that crap.
Exactly! The ‘death’ of facebook has in no way seemed to impact its influence on everything. I still find places that use a facebook page as their company website. The marketplace is inescapable if you want to buy or sell something used.
All this idea would do is establish a very well known area for AI to be used in… and it would serve the same function as a reservoir of infection for pathogens.
Or even local municipalities publishing important adivice.
/hey did you know that they have to cut the water supply to work on these leaking pipes? /no /why not we put it on facebook /…
No i don’t have facebook, O just wish people who used it understood this little fact of life. But no. They rely on facebook for local communication, essentially cutting out anyone else.
That one freaking kills me. I can only hope that the movement of some places onto mastodon might help be a gentle push and a guide that can be pointed to for other places to follow.
But that’s all bots generating clickbait right?
Fucking hell :o
This used to be a $1200 commission.
Gabe Omaey
Gabe Omaey
Banana?
mmmm…buh-na-nuh…
Why clock?
I like how you didn’t use a single word more than necessary to communicate the question.
because the model wanted it? idk.
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Also you know those boomers won’t stop at the hundredth image, thus all the AI services will go broke.
I think you mean “justify bigger bonuses”
I like it.
It’s the “Use your kid’s slang to make them realize it’s garbage” reverse card.
Totally works. When I started referring to things as “skibidi” it was suddenly dropped from my kids’ lexicon.
Bizarre AI-generated images are currently flooding Facebook, as engagement hacks and bots run rampant on the social media platform, spawning a meme-worthy image that has been dubbed “Shrimp Jesus.”
It’s actually working, many people around me that were enthusiastic about AI are now pissed off by it thanks to all that shit.
So if bots flood db0 with terrible AI generated spam, then the db0 admins will stop being weird about AI?
… I’m not asking for any particular reason
spam is spam. We’ll deal with it like any other spam.
I think all AI art is spam
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I feel like it usually minionizes anything it touches anyways, so that’s a surprisingly good fit for it.
“Potato!”
Or something. IDK, I haven’t watched the movies…
I remember finding it funny and endearing when I first watched it. And then it just… never… stopped…
I think that was every normal person’s experience with minions. They were funny as side characters in the film, but then the sequels and spinoffs leaned too heavily into them and the memes started and everyone with 2 braincells to rub together said “fuck this” and ignored the minion scurge to fester
Too bad the supreme court put the dagger in artists backs for AI already. It would have been great if a company would license an artists source material to make a set of variations for a limited venue. Like a company licensing a voice actor’s samples, then they get to use AI to make those characters say whatever they want, in that one movie, or that one game, based on the license.
As it is now, we’re going to end up with Spruce Lee fighting Hackie Chan movies, and none of the actors or their estates will get to say shit about it.
You don’t really know how AI works, do you? A single voice actor couldn’t produce enough lines to fully train an AI model even if they spent every second of their life in the recording booth.
So tell me then, which of the billions of input recordings do you pay licensing fees for and how much? I mean sure, we could make a law that forces AI companies to pay for every single piece of training data. Which would probably kill AI training for the entire region where this law applies, severely crippling our already weakened economy. But I guess, at least we’re keeping the moral high ground while doing so.
But seriously, the EU is cooking up a pretty amazing Ai law right now. Thought out by people far brighter than you and me and it seems to be pretty amazing at balancing economic interests with ethical obligation. My hopes are high for that one!
AI deepfakes are all over the place right now. Or did you think the video of Trump being a rock star was real?
Ok? And what does this have to do with anything I wrote?
Edit: Oh, I get it. You misread the first paragraph and completely ignored the second which made you completely miss the point of my comment.
I’m not saying that you can’t specialize AI to sound like a specific actor. I’m saying that you can’t train a new AI model using only recordings of a single actor.
You can record a few seconds of dialogue and get convincing results. I’m sure at a professional level, you could do it with a few minutes at most.
(Side note, I don’t endorse or recommend the site I linked to. Only using it to demonstrate the point. I don’t recommend you surrender the sound of your voice to these guys.)
You can license the output of a likeness powered by AI.
what confuses me a lot about america is how a lot of people will defend the AI’s “right” to steal training data to learn (education)
when there’s millions of students out there going into life long debt to go to collage, and none of the same americans are fighting for their right to learn for free
I am only critical that those models are in the hand of corporations who try to profit from it. Copyrights are mainly a tool to be wielded by the powerful: see Sony trying to disconnect ISP accounts en masse or media giants suing people into oblivion, Nintendo fucking over their fanbase again and again and so on.
The datasets should belong to an UN organisation like UNESCO, corporations/NGOs/people should be able to licence them to build their models (ev. with “community models” provided free for personal use), and the licence fees should be used to subsidize culture. This plus an UBI would make sure that artists don’t have to starve, corporations can use them to try to make a profit, and everyone else can use them to create for their own or their communities use. Artists that don’t want to go into the datasets have that right too, but also won’t have access to that financial pool (this shouldn’t be the only pool).
Fuck copyrights.
If we just got rid of copyright, we would just see Disney flipping other people’s work without credit, just like how genAI grifters try to use it currently.
Under capitalism, copyrights are a necessary tool for people to get paid for their labour in some cases. That’s not the most common usecase for copyrights, but a needed one until we get a better system. Fuck copyrights being used for corporate greed though. Somehow, more people are against the former than the latter, which is super wrong. But it’s not a reason to be against the former in addition to being against the latter.
The fastest fix is a very short copyright window, say 5-10 years. Given the fact that every movie release makes back it’s entire production budget in 1 week or is immediately deemed a flop, 5-10 years is plenty of time to mine an IP for boatloads of cash, plus once anyone can make a star wars movie or book or whatever, the real value shifts instead to the brand that produces it. New brands can make a name for themselves respinnong “old” IPs and making far better content than the original studio would’ve been willing to risk, and big brands can focus more on how important it is to view the only official versions of a given IP based on their branding.
That’d also harm big corporations less than small, independent artists who don’t get paid as much per use of their artwork.
1st, I’m not Murrican, I’m German. 2nd the right to free education is one of the most important human right and the entire world is paying the price right now for neglecting this right over the past decades 3rd AI is here to stay. It’s far to impactfull as a technology. Whether we like it or not. So we either create an Environment where it can thrive within certain rules or we watch as others use it to completely overtake us.
ok? and i’m polish, i was talking about americans.
AI is not just ethically dubious, it’d also outright harmful for the already strained environment we live in. If AI stays - it won’t be here for long, mostly because there won’t be anoyone to ask it to generate giant hentai tits anymore
AI is here to stay. It’s far to impactfull as a technology
Gonna need some proof for that. So far it doesn’t actually do anything useful.
Open your eyes and step off that hate bandwagon.
Machine Learning has revolutionized protein folding and plenty of other sciences. LLMs have increased programmer productivity (even if it isn’t perfect yet). Image/video/song generating was something we thought to be impossible a couple of years ago.
If the only news you get about AI comes from the “Fuck AI” community, you won’t ever get accurate info.
Yes companies put AI in a bunch of shitty things that don’t need it. But to claim AI doesn’t do anything useful is just plain wrong.
Machine Learning has revolutionized protein folding and plenty of other sciences.
I actually work in the field of protein crystallography. Contrary to newspaper reporting by people who don’t understand the field and just repeat what the people who developed the tool say about it, it has made just a small improvement to analysing experimental data which we could have easily made using traditional algorithmic approaches with a similar amount of resources spent. And this is one of its biggest legitimate impacts - it absolutely hasn’t “revolutionised plenty of other sciences”, or you’d be able to list more things than just alphafold.
It doesn’t improve programmer productivity, it increases the lines of code created, which is a really bad metric for productivity. There is good evidence that its use is already leading to increased code churn, that means someone is having to go back and revisit the additional new errors introduced by AI tools, which is obviously less productive.
So what you are saying is that AI is actually useful since it has improved analyzing experimental data.
Thanks for proving my point.
As a software engineer, I can tell you that it absolutely has increase productivity. Especially for small tasks without too much complexity. AI is really good for prototyping. The problems you hear about are mostly people who have no idea how to write propper code trying to mask their incompetence by writing AI code.
I usually outright reject code that is obviously AI. But I employ plenty of AI in my own coding. The trick is to always double check and rewrite segments that aren’t good enough.
The huge amount of garbage AI PRs ate an enormous problem. Especially for small open source projects. But the benefits are also pretty obvious.
A single voice actor couldn’t produce enough lines to fully train an AI model…
The model is trained on a massive corpus of existing data and then fine tuned to match the target voice actor. Using less than ~30s of reference audio you can get a pretty decent fine tuning the main issue is that it currently isn’t on par with the quality and consistency of an in studio voice actor, especially over long time domains.
Hence my usage of the words “fully train”. The other commentor wants to license every piece of audio used in training the model which obviously includes the base model…
You can feed an infinite amount of data into existing models and it won’t improve the issues. The problem is with the models themselves.
And the audio used to train the base model are licensed. Usually under an MIT, creative commons, etc. license.
In Spain we trained an AI using recorded congress sessions. Within the national, regional and city halls they had a lot of material.
Okay, so how do you make minion memes with it? I have no clue myself
We could start with posting memes in the meme community…
The boomers are dead or pensioned by now
The youngest boomers are 64 still. We may be done working with them in 10 years or so but they’re stubborn. The ones still working then are the ones who never could win financially or are the ones who took advantage of everyone and never learned to stop.
By then Gen X will have replaced them, and going on about reminiscing about how mix CDs burned from MP3s downloaded from AOL sounded better than the vinyl and TikToks the kids are listening to will be the “we drank from the hose was our curfew” of the time
Meh, unlikely. Gen X doesn’t have the sheer numbers to drive and sustain culture. The Boomers number something like 74,000,000 and Millennials are around 83,500,000. Meanwhile Gen X only has about 49,000,000 so we’re sandwiched between two Generations that are nearly double our size.
