US Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is gearing up for a potential Senate or presidential run in 2028, igniting excitement among progressives nationwide.  #AOC2028

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    I hope I’m wrong, but I just don’t see how 'Murica could be ready for a young, progressive, intelligent woman to lead

    She is a true powerhouse, but’ Murica is a broken, ignorant and hateful place

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      Same thing a lot of people said about a black guy with a Muslim name, while still deep in the “War in Terror” fog. I was among them, and very wrong.

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      America rejected Hillary and Kamala because they were empty-suit neolibs who campaigned on ignoring the working class’ problems, not because they were women.

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        Exactly thank you. Somehow The Establishment is pulling the old Hillary Clinton accusing voters of being bigoted which somehow allows them to stay in control of the party to nominate another candidate that would be rejected by voters. How everyone is not up in arms about this I will not know.

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        Ha ha ha ha ha ha Ha HA HA HA. Nobody has ever won an election in this country through the working class, dude.

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        And elected Trump twice because he obviously was full-suit man of the people with so many swell ideas about working class.
        Americans, you see, are voting based on economical policies rooted in reality.

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          He was the only candidate in the general 2016 talking about jobs. His opposition’s slogan was “America is Already Great”. In 2024, his opposition was arguing she would better implement his signature policies of imperialismthe most lethal military and cruelty towards brown peoplesecuring the border.

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        Also, because the voting public is dumb AF. Not actually voting on principle, ideology, or policy. Simply voting against whoever is perceived as in power. If they feel the government isn’t helping them. Even if it means voting for someone who will be objectively worse for them.

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            Exactly the opposite, actually. Not all principles have value. Any principle that would have you not help the people you can because it would be unfair to the people you can’t has no value. Anything purported to be virtue in that vein is just signaling.

            Until such time as state and federal governments are depredicated. The calcified concentrated power and resources shattered and returned to the people. Refusing to do the minimum you could to help anyone and show solidarity. Is no virtue or principle worth mentioning.

            Even If neoliberals are no ally to anyone but themselves. If you couldn’t be bothered to vote for Clinton or Harris in the general election. To keep the person actually attacking minorities from office. You are even less of an ally to trans gays and minorities of every stripe. Unless you’re actually doing something concrete like leading bloody revolution in the streets to help them.

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              I guess I can kind of see your point, but I just disagree. Literally my entire life, every presidential election has been “vote for the lesser of two evils”. I’m not doing it anymore.

              I do however live in a blue county in a blue state, so I can see how that allows me to make decisions that folks in purple states might not want to make.

              I vote every year, but I left Kamala Harris and the presidential option blank. I would have voted for Cornell West but he wasn’t on my ballot.

              Kamala got all of my states electoral votes I believe, if not, she got my county’s or my district’s or whatever.

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                That’s because there should be no president, no governor, no senator. The more power becomes concentrated. The more it necessarily becomes a choice of the lesser evil. Failing to take concrete action in the face of that. Is nothing to crow about or admonish others for not following.

                I live in a blue patch of a red county in a red state. A state that just tried and failed to take what little non existent representation we had away. By making our districting worse. Believe me I know intimately what it’s like to feel like your vote doesn’t matter. I could take schadenfreude at those usually isolated from their poor decisions in blue states. Facing concrete negative consequences. Re illegal deployment of national guard etc. Or ICE brown shirts. But I don’t. And honestly there’s not a lot more people in blue states could do beyond not campaigning against the best possibly achievable option. Living in a blue state isn’t a right, it’s a privilege. It’s easy to forget and become detached from others.

                Voting won’t fix anything on it’s own. It’s not even half the equation. Without being or supporting the people worth voting for. Voting can only slow disintegration at best. When it comes to herculean lifts like corrupt national offices. It’s gonna take us all working together. If there are elections next year or after. I have some small hope. But only time will tell.

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          Yeah. Truth is they probably would have focused on making working class problems worse, just like Billy boy.

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              Biden was FDR 2.0!

              Not even close. The most I will give him is that he was closer to FDR than any of the Democrats in-between. Ideologically, FDR 1.0 had ambitions for what an FDR 2.0 could do, and Biden wasn’t it. Biden barely moved the needle to reclaim any of the things Democrats lost us in the intervening years. Operationally, Biden had none of FDR’s zeal to actually get things done. Biden needed to be far more Machiavellian and, because he wasn’t, his agenda was stalled and the architects of January 6 were emboldened to try again.

              These two videos do a better and more entertaining job than I can to lay out why Democratic reform is absolutely necessary to get us out of the mess we are in. If Democratic voters don’t learn extremely quickly, this America has no chance at all.

              https://youtu.be/lxzosX50Aes

              https://youtu.be/zBUxIa_5cuM

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      Not exactly. DNC had to do a LOT of fucking around to keep Bernie from the presidentcy. And he would have crushed Trump so badly cheating wouldn’t have worked. I had hoped they would run AOC instead of Kamala once it was clear Biden was unfit. She would have been just old enough

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        I take it from the sudden massive influx of “AOC BETRAYED US ON ISRAEL NOBODY VOTE FOR HER” narrative, that somebody somewhere thinks she’s a candidate who would cause problems if she did run

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          She did, and if she were running, she could fix people calling her a zionist by changing her stance on Israel.

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            So this entire narrative that AOC is pro-Israel now, is spun up from a single vote she made on an amendment MTG made that would have removed a small amount of funding for Israel including a grant which is used among other things for some of their “defensive” weapons for civilian areas, while leaving intact the waterfall of money for their offensive weaponry. AOC along with almost everyone else voted no on that amendment, and then said some dumb shit about why she did. The amendment was never going to pass. The impact on Israel or anyone else was pretty minimal. It did nothing for offensive weapons, it was just a stupid amendment during a busy day of actual work, so AOC voted against it.

            Of course, later on, she voted “no” for the massive funding bill which spent $830 billion on various types of killing, including $6 billion for Israel for offensive weapons, which has been pretty consistently her stance on Israel throughout including vocal oppsition both verbal and material. At one point she was doing enough that Biden got mad at her personally and they had a meeting about it or something, because she was materially gumming up the works. Her support for Palestine is super rare in the US congress. Nonetheless these guys are still talking about how bad she betrayed Palestine. It becomes a whole narrative, where she’s now pro-genocide irrevocably forever, and if you challenge them on it, they can run and hide behind the fact that she did, in fact, vote against that amendment, and so it’s proved now. She’s bad. Don’t vote for her.

            For some reason, this only happens to the left-est of left politicians. You will never heard someone randomly start cursing about how big an asshole Joe Manchin was when he did absolutely incalculable damage to the planet by blocking the first iteration of the IRA. No, you will only hear these kind of neatly-packaged reasons not to support a left politician deployed and repeated (there are only like 10-20 of them, you start to see them repeat after a while if you pay attention) against the leftest of the bunch.

            Wonder why.

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      I’m American and I’d vote for her! But I’m on Lemmy/PieFed so I’m not your average American lol

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      I struggle to see it too, but I think I’d rather her lose than newsom win. I’ve always been a “harm reduction” sort, but I see NO way out through the dem establishment: a third senile trump term would probably be better in the long run than watching the ratchet click yet again. America needs change and leadership that actually believes in something positive enough to fight for it.

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          America is pretty progressive, it’s the corporate media and PAC donor money to every corrupt politician in the country (90% of both Dems and Repubs) that are not progressive.

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          Give them enough time and you’ll hear how he’s bad for us all.

          It doesn’t matter which candidate is in the front, the propaganda and hate machine will shift focus and they’ll lose.

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                If people are telling a politician a thing they are doing is bad, maybe consider they have a point and the politician should stop instead of demanding fealty. Confusing whether we are supposed to represent out politicians or our politicians are supposed to represent us is how dems justify doing the shit that tanks their popularity.

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      Everyone who would object to one of these would object to all of them, so really there’s not much difference between an old white male progressive and a young brown female progressive in terms of electability, and as we know from Bernie those are plenty electable. I mean hell, Obama was black.