Would be funny if it was true…but you never pay for OS updates on Mac.
lol i was about to say. Updates have been free since what , Lion? Lemmy is just hurr durr non Linux operating systems bad 🙄
This meme is older than Lion
So old it’s yellowed
Same tbh
Yeah, it was Lion and even before then it was something like $35 to upgrade which was less than the cost to upgrade Windows at the time.
Why pay Microsoft though?
In my experience they are (comparatively) I absolutely hate using ipados and they messed up airdrop (because why support Bluetooth fileshare when you can have a proprietary protocol) between different versions of ipados with the latest update and now it doesn’t work half the time…
Are you kidding? Lemmy is overwhelmingly in favor of Linux. Like, holy persecution complex, Batman…
You may need to re-read the comment you answered carefully.
You used to.
I know we all get off on a little Apple hate from time to time, why do so many of these things feel they need to make shit up? There’s so much real shit they do that you could just make fun of
I think this comic might have been from the era when you did have to pay for new versions of OS X… they stopped doing that around Lion I think in 2011 or so.
They used to sell it? Criminals!
Because Apple bad obviously, get on the bandwagon
There was a time when you had to pay for the next major version. I think it went free around mountain lion or so?
And even then it was only $20. The last time it was over $99 was 16 years ago.
After 4 years, you have to pay $1999 to get a new iMac. (all numbers were made up)
My 2010 MacBook Pro disagrees
2012 MBP still going strong as a daily driver.
You’re saying your 13 year old macbook is still getting updates? I know the Pro models usually have extended support, but 13 years sounds a bit extreme. The latest version of OS X that supports the 2010 Macbook Pro is High Sierra from 2017.
Updates? No, but still runs like a champ. Even so, an OS from 7 years after its manufacture date is pretty good. My main point was against your “after 4 years” you need to buy a new Mac.
Heah, my 2013 MBP died this year (at least the wifi module did), so I replaced it. 9 years is good in my book
You pay it by buying new hardware.
My 2013 macbook pro with 16 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSD has been deprecated by apple so the latest OS it gets is Big Sur, it has now been barred from signing updates (since they require the latest XCode which I cannot get with Big Sur) so its only viable life is via Linux from now on.
I have had to buy a Mac Mini with 8 GB of RAM and a 250 GB SSD to be able to upload updates for my iOS apps.
I mean I can afford it, but yeah, we are paying for OS updates dude.
That’s the reason they also updated their EULAs to set a minimum renting period of 24hs for providers like Amazon and MacStadium. They want you buying hardware, they don’t want to leave any easy way out.
There are still workarounds for getting new macOS on older not supported hardware (aka the OpenCore Legacy Patcher) which works very well, even with really old macs. But yes, of course, there are no official updates.
That’s not an Apple problem per se though, that’s an industry problem. Windows 11 isn’t officially supported on Devices older than 2018 and unofficially not older than like 2015-ish, if you want full functionality and a non-hacky install (because of TPM 2.0). Also, most Android phones have a notoriously short period getting updates (although that is getting better with some manufacturers promising and delivering way more than before).
Windows 11 isn’t officially supported on Devices older than 2018 and unofficially not older than like 2015-ish
Having old computers not compatible with the latest OS is not a problem, just keep running Windows 10. Having an OS that no longer gets security updates is a huge problem.
Fortunately Apple goes out of their way to ensure their hardware doesn’t survive that long anymore.
Windows 10 is also nearing end of life. In two years it’s over
No, but you’ll have to buy another 3000 dollar laptop that’s only worth maybe 1200 bucks because they arbitrarily decide that their hardware can’t support a new OS and lock you out of upgrading it.
We have them where I work and it’s the biggest time sink for our service desk to deal with, replacing with Windows 10 machines absolutely saved us from having to deal with constant “network issues” and Adobe projects that can’t be accessed on a workstation not running Monterrey or whatever version the person who last edited it was on, etc.
Fuck Mac, they’re fine for personal use (if you like wasting money) but are absolutely dogshit for a commercial environment where work actually has to get done.
Uh, what? Have you owned a Mac in the last 30 years?
That’s not how it works. I’ve had two macs in the last 20 years, and more than a dozen Windows machines. I had to reformat the Windows PCs every year or so for various reasons until they became obsolete after like 5 years, but my macs have worked for 10 years each with no issues, and always upgraded to the latest OS easily and always for free. Both my macs lasted 10+ years of heavy use (my current one is 5+ years and still young).
Every time a Windows update came out it was an ordeal and I dreaded it; with each update I’d start looking at the cost of replacing the whole machine in case it bricks and it’s just not worth fixing things. Mac updates are barely a blip in my workflow.
Adobe projects that can’t be accessed on a workstation not running Monterrey or whatever
This makes zero sense. The Adobe suite runs much better on OSX than Windows by orders of magnitude, even on outdated and non-updated OS. There’s a reason most designers and professional VXers have always preferred Mac. (eta: also, rereading, this makes even less sense because Adobe projects don’t care about your OS when opening; just the version of Adobe itself. You can easily open projects made on a whole different OS: Windows/OSX, any recentish version with no problem. Even files made in CS6/OSX can be opened in the latest cloud app on Windows easily. You’re either mistaken here or being deliberately dishonest for some reason.)
I’ve been in IT/software development and VX design for a few decades and I’m really wondering how this is an ordeal for you. It makes no sense to me. My 3000 dollar laptop has outlasted 5 1000 dollar windows machines. You get what you pay for.
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Also, in my few decades in the industry, the sales and marketing staff always ran Windows, but the design staff usually worked on Mac. That speaks for itself.
I don’t like apple but none of what you wrote has been reflected in my last 20 years of Mac experience. There is no “arbitrary” lack of support for older machines and in my experience machines usually get updates for several years.
You pay for them when they slow down your hardware
Hey, they could have taken the Google option and let the phones die at 20% charge because there was too much voltage draw for the aging battery to handle
This.
The only negative thing about the whole situation was that Apple didn’t publicize it, not that they throttled the devices.
Get a new battery for it and the thing works just fine.
Macs only get support for three years now. So you’re paying between $1,000 and $53,799 for a computer every three years instead of just updating the operating system in the same period of time.
So yeah, your right… This is inaccurate. It’s not $99 any longer, it’s starting at $1,000 every major update. If you’re outside those three years, too bad. No updates for you, and in a year or less many of your favorite programs will get updates you can no longer ever use again.
Apple machines are supported for like 7-8 years from launch
macOS is only maintained for 3 years (3 generations).
macOS 14 Sonoma just came out, so support for macOS 11 big sur just ended
I think that the oldest system that is still officially supported is the Mac Pro from 2013. So 10 years of support. Likely will not be officially supported next year.
Get your facts straight. Linux fan boyism is lazy and not supported in 2023
So, what? We’re just straight up making shit up about Mac now when trashing it on Lemmy?
Its literally been over a decade since the last time Apple charged for an OS update
And I believe they stopped charging for OS updates before Microsoft did, though I could be misremembering.
They 100% did
Don’t get me wrong, there’s plenty to gripe about with apple, just like every tech company, but I swear half the complaints I hear about Apple products on lemmy are either outdated or just plain wrong
For some reason the anti-Apple circle jerk is supercharged on Lemmy. I’ll never understand why people get themselves so worked up over a brand they never have to do business with
I agree. I work in IT and often get asked what the best phone is when someone is looking. I tell them to go to the store and play around with a number of phones for a while. The one they seem to like best or are drawn to more is the one they should get. It makes 0 difference to me what brand of phone/pc/diapers/whatever someone else uses.
I have no problem telling non-technical people to get an iSomething. Most of the time, it just works, especially amongst its own ecosystem. Android on its own works plenty fine too, but getting it to play ball with other gadgets can be an adventure sometimes.
In general, the anti-apple cult is much stronger than the supposed pro-apple cult. I haven’t seen people really give that much of a fuck about apple positively in years but if you prefer an iphone, some people insist you’re obsessed with them.
i use a mac for work, so i got an iphone. An ipad replaced most of my laptop work. At that point the ecosystem just made sense for me. Apple are a bad company, but their shit just works for me.
on this site at least - you’re absolutely right, and the fact that you’re getting bombed with downvotes is pretty solid anecdotal evidence of that if nothing else lol
Don’t get me wrong, I get just as annoyed by those who insist Apple can do no wrong as those who insist they can do no right. I just find it weird how pseudo-religious people can get about Apple. It seems like you’re not allowed to just view them as another tech company. You have to either crusade against them, or else you’re a paid apple shill
Either that or an elitist whose goal is “to appear rich”. Like, the flagship models of the major Android phones are the same price if not more, but for some reason having an Apple device is just some sort of status symbol.
I’m pretty sure the whole “iPhone as a status symbol” thing is a thing of the past - I literally can’t remember anytime in the last 5 years that anyone expressed envy at someone owning a iphone.
I’d argue that yearly upgrades regardless of phone brand are more of the status symbol now
Lemmy users just have better taste. Also all my negative opinions about Apple products were formed a decade ago and I haven’t had anything to do with them since.
It’s a comic from 2011. Here’s the source: https://www.stickycomics.com/computer-update/
When their last paid update launched, Mac’s were expected to last the better part of a decade, just like Windows (and certain Linux distros can last much longer.)
Today, Apple cuts off all support after just three years. Their “updates” are fluffy marketing bullshit. The latest one is just a bunch of wallpapers and screensavers.
Windows, on average, releases an update every three years, on average. Any computer thay can run it can get them for about $100. The cheapest Mac is $1,000.
So people are paying ten times more, all while they believe they are getting a great deal and “free” updates compared to the “paid” alternative.
Time to update the meme.
- windows: oh no, I was in a meeting!
- mac: oh no, I need a new mac for this to work!
- Linux: I’m afraid to install this, my graphics will probably break again!
I haven’t had to touch xorg.conf in many years
It’s been so long since X broke that most people won’t know what you mean by xorg.conf
I’ve had some programs break because their dependencies updated before them but never the graphics
There are high-schoolers alive today (maybe even in this thread) who were born after Apple stopped charging for updates. Maybe it’s time to get some new jokes.
Obviously an apple shill getting paid in update money
Free software as in freedom of speech, not necessarily as in free beer. Maintainers also need to pay the bills.
Windows: It’s stuck again. Will force-reboot corrupt my system?
Rolling-release distro: Cool! New features. …5 programs just stopped working all together.
Point-release distro: Let’s see… under the hood improvements.
Gentoo: I don’t have time for this.
LFS: I never planned to try updating it anyway.The first part of this comment triggered some PTSD.
