Not shown on the shore: hundreds of other frogs watching with full confidence that any scorpion they give a ride across the pond won’t sting THEM.
Bold characterizing Trumptards as something fierce like a scorpion. I guess they are predators though…
“lol”, said the Scorpion, “lmao”
The most accurate thing about this is the liberal allowing the fascist to get on its back in the first place.
Because, you know, it would just be SO RUDE not to.
Or rather, they really hope the scorpion isn’t lying yet again.
Early 20th century Italian fascists had a popular slogan “Me ne frego”, meaning “I don’t care”.
People don’t really change.
The original Maga hat!
Hmmmmm
What did Melania have on the back of her jacket that one time
Some say Epstein’s cum
You win, everybody pack up and leave.
Me ne spoogo
I dOnt ReAlLy CaRe, dO yOu??1
“Me no frogo”
Don’t be the frog.
based on a true story
And Leftists see the Liberals as the scorpion.
Turns out when people stop benefiting from society, they don’t care what happens to it.
And no, an oppressive police state who kills anyone who gets too poor or upset is not a “benefit” of that society. And when that’s all the system has left, you can’t blame people for not giving a shit.
It is normally the fascists who claim that everyone they see not as one of them being a lefty, while the subgroups in the group of these "lefties” are more different to each other than they are to some fascist groups
Well, I think, I worded that not so well, but hope you guys still understand.
Tldr:
The “right” wants us to believe, that there is only a single line from right to left through the middle in politics, while in reality it is a multidimensional vector spaceThe “right” wants us to believe, that there is only a single line from right to left through the middle in politics, while in reality it is a multidimensional vector space
Conway’s Law: The structure of a system reflects the structure of the organization that built it
Have a two-party system, get a two-party model.
Because the right’s base doesn’t understand half of the words you used in describing our predicament
And Leftists see the Liberals as the scorpion.
I see them as the frog. The stupid fucking frog that knows the scorpion’s nature but gives him a free ride anyway.
That’s not really a universal truth, Leftists hold a wide range of views on liberalism.
Not on here it doesn’t seem. On here a liberal to them is chuck Schumer or other neoliberals(neo being the keyword here). They think liberalism is about protecting capital. I would argue that socialism can be very liberal if we’re going with the traditional meaning of the word.
But what really bothers me about it is it feels like a wedge issue created to drive the two groups apart, and it seems to work on people that I KNOW are smarter than that. But I guess we liberals thought that about Maga as well
More like Democrats see the progressives as the scorpion.
If giving up means you then screw over everyone else that says more about you, than anyone else. It may be reality, but it’s no justification.Yeah, you can try supporting leftists, or you can keep stinging.
Neoliberalism isn’t a popular ideology anymore.
Neoliberalism isn’t a popular ideology anymore.
And yet democrats refuse to abandon it.
Neoliberalism is no where near as popular as it used to be. The neoliberal faction is about as weak as it has ever been since they came to dominate the party back in the 1990’s. It’s not really fair to say Democrats refuse to abandon neoliberalism when there’s plenty of Democrats actively working to move the party away from neoliberalism for decades, and especially now when they are finally at a place where it looks like it could really happen.
It’s not really fair to say Democrats refuse to abandon neoliberalism when there’s plenty of Democrats actively working to move the party away from neoliberalism for decades, and especially now when they are finally at a place where it looks like it could really happen.
I’ve heard this too many times to ever believe mere words from democrats. I’ve seen their actions and those indicate that the party has only changed for the worse.
But the democrats are the ones that have an organization in place in the U.S. that can affect change. Those with more progressive ideals keep stinging them and they sink. As a result we have right wing fascism. Congrats.
What you’re saying only makes sense if you think all leftists refuse to vote, or 100% vote for third parties. This is not even close to reality. Libs love to tell me I’m a Trump supporting liar, but I have voted Democrat my entire adult life, including for Harris and in local piddly elections. Not because I think centrist liberal policies are good but because our broken system forces me to, in the hopes that maybe their platform will grow a spine or a conscious and realize caring for your people is worth more than making a buck.
Other nations with less power and resources than us have figured out how to be progressive, what is our problem? It sure as shit isn’t the people calling for progress.
Its not a matter of 100%. It’s a matter of any. The critical votes have been very close. It’s also if you convince others not to vote or vote 3rd party. So criticizing the democrats has to be done carefully in the right context.
And the trick would be removing money from politics; and removing money controlled bias of mass media.“Oh shit he’s a Harris voter. Okay backup plan, accuse him of undermining voting with no evidence”
Literally every time, man. It’s so predictable.
It’s simple logic. I didn’t accuse you of anything. I just stated my point.
Oh no those mean leftists they hurt the DNC by… not giving them votes they think they were entitled to…
You need to understand that the leftist protest voters did not meaningfully impact the election. That is a fact, and if you want to live in the same reality as the rest of us, you need to internalize that fact. This was DNC propaganda made to make you hate young people and leftist ideology. It’s time to break that conditioning.
If you would like to be upset about the votes Harris was “owed” then be mad at the white and hispanic boomers that stayed home for Harris after coming out to vote for Biden.
It was literally liberal voters that failed the Democratic party. I’m a leftist and I voted for Kamala but all of us leftist combined on lemmy wasn’t going to make a difference
You understand your lack of vote made my death as a trans person orders or magnitude more likely
I voted for Harris you idiot
Let’s all help the fascists and then pretend it’s a moral imperative
Edit: I love the block feature. Tankies can scream into the void all they want.
Let’s all help the fascists and then pretend it’s a moral imperative
That’s centrists’ position on Palestine, yes.
EDIT: democrats and ignoring the left. Name a more perfect tautology.
This is what people don’t understand about humans. We want to be on top of somebody else. If everyone was equal then nobody gets to be the best. That fundamentally goes against evolution.
We also aren’t dumb monke. Those are the traits we need to cultivate.
I don’t think MAGA believes or cares about evolution. And absolutely no one is going for being “equal”. More equal and less extremes between wealth, yes, but not actual equality. I mean, running as fast as you can doesn’t mean you’re trying or expecting to teleport.
No, that’s not how evolution works. Humans are incredibly complex animals, and there are a ton of different evolutionary traits (some of which seem contradictory) at play that affect our social structures. Boiling it down to “humans want to be on top of someone else” is a huge oversimplification to the point where it’s potentially harmful.
It’s just straight up wrong. One of the reasons humans have done so well is because we’re extremely empathetic and cooperative. Selfish species tend to do poorly, with the majority of species being cooperative, even if not quite as cooperative as us.
Well, in some sense, we DO want to be on top of somebody else. Or under someone.
Procreation is one hell of an evolution booster.
That’s wrong af. Look at the civilizations on top right now. I’ll let you guess which ones are in charge. I’ll even give you a hint they aren’t the peaceful ones.
Depends on your idea of being “on top”. I for one could say Denmark is on top (and has been for some time) as they’ve been some of the happiest people on earth. Does that mean it agrees with your definition?
Being dishonest about all these civilizations that abused others is more negative and intellectually dishonest. All I said was that humans naturally try to conquer others once they reach a certain point. If you were correct about your assertions, well we wouldn’t be having a conversation about what if.
I don’t know who’s being dishonest about civilizations doing harm, but it’s certainly not me. I’m advocating for those civilizations to take the blame and responsibility for their actions, not absolving them of culpability in the name of evolution (which is what you’re doing, implicitly).
By blaming things on evolution, you’re taking the responsibility out of the hands of those civilizations doing harm. You’re blaming it on a “natural process”, making it seem like it’s an inevitable part of the human experience, a foregone conclusion. That’s dangerous. Humans are responsible for their actions. Humans can find better ways to do things. Humans have more control over their world than any other animal in the animal kingdom. Humans can even deny evolutionary instincts if the situation calls for it. Humans are more than just products of evolution, and to try and claim otherwise is harmful.
This is perfect
This applies to maga as well. Trump doesn’t give two shits about them.
I always dislike this story because of the biological essentialism it implies and that allows racists and sexists to use it.
Do you also dislike stories with talking animals because animals can’t talk?
It’s a parable, and you seem to be taking it too literally and simultaneously not literally enough.On the one hand, it’s saying not to trust people who want to hurt you even if your interests are aligned. The soviets trusting the Nazis not to attack them just because they both gained by dividing eastern Europe and not fighting a war on multiple fronts. No amount of shared interest will keep a fascist from hating a communist.
On the other hand, you actually really shouldn’t put scorpions on your back. It’s actually fine to reduce the agency of an insect to a stereotype of their biology.
Not sure why you’d getting downvoted here but it’s absolutely been used (a lot) to push racist ideas. I first heard it from an antisemite.
I think it’s just a shit message - “people will betray you on surprising ways, trust no one”
Ofc you misunderstood the message.
Isn’t the message that people will betray you in _un_surprising ways?
I never took it as bleakly as don’t trust anyone.
Frog knows the scorpion is untrustworthy but ignores his intuition and gets burnt for it. I take it as don’t get involved with someone that would drag you down with them.
For anyone trying to prove anything with it, it’s a parable, so it’s advice, not a research paper! 🐸
Speaking of frog parables pretending to be research papers: the whole “a scientist did an experiment and if you boil water slowly enough the frog won’t jump out and just sits there until it dies”. It turns out that’s bullshit. The scientist was trying to figure out brain stuff, so he removed the brains from the frogs and they didn’t jump out when he boiled them. The frogs that still had their brains jumped out of the water around the same temperature as a person would step out of a too-hot shower (25°C).
Scorpions would never sting my back
Said the person who just voted for the “Scorpions stinging backs” party.
I guess it’s both. You wouldn’t expect someone to sabotage themselves
Unfortunately, alot of us lived to see that message play out irl. Not in the racist ways obviously, but still
I’ve always preferred the monk and the scorpion one, but I guess it could be used the same way. Never thought about it, honestly.
They got upvoted but should have been downvoted because they’re just inventing a weird new sensitivity that you have to strain to even believe can exist in another person’s mind.
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But you know in this story, the frog was actually taking the scorpion to safety, not waging wars and funding a genocide. Maybe next time if there is no bureaucracy in the party, and you see Mamdani against Trump , you’ll see actual support from the left.
lol “Just one more purity test bro, then I promise I won’t support the fascist”
People with no standards really hate people with standards.
lol made up purity tests you use to justify supporting facism aren’t standards.
It doesn’t really matter what excuse you use for suppressing leftist voter turn out, you’re still doing work for the facists which makes you a fascist.
The only thing centrists don’t conveniently see as “suppressing voter turnout” is enthusiastic agreement with the worst actions of centrists.
You’re supporting fascist, and I hate that most center people don’t see it. Either die slowly or quickly. I’m willing to at least attempt to change things, you should too.
What’s really baffling is that even the fascist is doing a better job in the context of wars. And if I’m not wrong, those lefties targeted in the meme are just choosing not to participate in the vote, not to support some one. Forcing someone to choose least of two evils might just not be liberty.
lol
It’s refreshing to hear “leftists” just come right out and say they suport the fascist. Thanks for that.
choosing not to participate in the vote, not to support some one.
“leftists” just come right out and say they suport the fascist.
If you don’t understand how first past the post voting works you can just say so. You don’t need to waste a bunch of electricity and storage space with a vapid meme.
So you understood it, and thought that you can vote your way out of late stage capitalism like this?
I was literally going to reply to this pointing out that “protest voters” fit better as the scorpion than MAGA people. The MAGA people didn’t know that Trump was an objective disaster. They just thought he would make a disaster for their enemies and leave them alone. The “I’m too left for Kamala” people did know, and they still decided Trump wasn’t worth resisting, because they wanted to make their point. Or, as the scorpion said, it’s in their nature, and they just felt really strongly that that’s what they wanted to do.
And hey, now we’re sinking! Thanks. Great.
The “I’m too left for Kamala” people did know, and they still decided Trump wasn’t worth resisting…
Citation needed. I saw them actually resisting, unlike the liberals who paved the way for Trump’s facism. But they claimed it was OK this time, but cause it was the “good guys” doing it.
I’m mostly talking about the people on Lemmy. This kind of stuff is what I’m talking about:
https://lemmy.world/search?q=kamala&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=5466182&page=1&sort=TopAll
https://lemmy.world/search?q=biden&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=5466182&page=1&sort=TopAll
Compare to:
https://lemmy.world/search?q=mamdani&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=5466182&page=1&sort=TopAll
Mamdani had to kiss the police boots but he gets a useless endorsement in its place.
He has started compromising with Democrats and abandoning his principles. We are halfway Bernie Mamdani already.
https://lemmy.world/search?q=no+kings&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=5466182&page=1&sort=New
When it’s time to not vote for Democrats, they’re all yelling and super vigorous, activists with all kinds of passion. When a pro-Palestine, pro-worker candidate comes along, they start shitting on him. When it’s time to get in the streets, it’s fucking crickets.
That’s why I don’t like them. Surely that makes sense. If I saw them actually “resisting” or at least encouraging other people to resist, I’d be a lot less contemptuous of them.
now we’re sinking!
Always have been.
Center people are a psyop
You just hate me cuz I’m right.
No we haven’t. FDR put in place universal healthcare, universal retirement, jobs for people that want to work so that they’re not subject to whims of the economy as to whether they can feed themselves. Postwar Britain guaranteed housing at reasonable rates to its people. The EPA, the CDC, clean water in your house, all this stuff happens because somebody makes it happen.
Democracy works, if you make it work. All that FDR stuff happened because people had spent decades fighting for their labor rights in the streets, harder than the wealthy were fighting to keep them down. That’s it. That’s how it functions. If instead of that, the labor movement had been filled with strategically incapable losers who said “MAN THE WHIGS DON’T FUCKING REPRESENT ME” and then fucked off to do something else, we’d still be working weekends and getting our arms pulled off in the factories.
This is why people think the whole “protest voter” thing is a psyop: Because it makes so little sense as a strategy for producing positive change. As a way of making sure things get ten times worse and the worst people in the world get to profit, though, it’s a fucking fantastic strategy.
