I mean…the US-Americans today didn’t immigrate, they were born in America.
And if they left, they would be immigrants somewhere else.
Throwing ordinary people out of the country they live in is always a bad solution.
(Yes, that includes Crimea and Palestine)This is what you might call a joke
the anchor can stay, the boat can leave.
As soon as I am able
Imagine if the Tribes banded together with their casino money to fund Europeans going back to Europe.
Buy me an EU visa pls, First Nations daddies.
Europe doesn’t want US blue collar people. They already make it almost impossible for anyone but wealthy Americans to move there, let alone become citizens.
I see you missed or didn’t understand the term “imagine.”
may i ask why you moved to the americas in the first place? No judgment.
I was born here unfortunately
Oh. That doesn’t seem problematic. Where would you go?
It isn’t problematic in the sense that I have done something wrong as an individual but I don’t want to be part of a settler colonial project in any capacity even if it is one that has long since “succeeded” in displacing its native population. I’m interested in Denmark, northern China, or Ireland in no particular order and for very different reasons. I have critiques of all of them, especially Denmark but all are preferable to the US. All are a long process to emmigrate to unfortunately.
Ok, that’s pretty cool. I didn’t know there were people who were in favour of emigration for anti-colonial reasons but not for reasons of collective guilt. You have opened my mind a little bit today.
I guess I have a follow-up question, which is
(a) wouldn’t it be better to fight colonialism at home, instead of just abandoning the fight entirely just to feel like you have a clean conscience?
(b) would you think differently if it turned out you had some % indigenous heritage?
a) I will fight anti-colonialism at home until I am able to flee. I feel guilty to admit but a large part of my desire to leave is for personal safety. I strongly believe that I will end up killed or indefinitely imprisoned by the state within the next decade. Unfortunately I am very doomer about prospects for indigenous folks in the US. I don’t see any chance of a non-fascist US anytime soon. An anti-colonial future will not come from within the imperial core it will come from without. Hopefully I can contribute my labor to that effort from a position of relative safety outside of the empire. It is selfish and I do feel incredibly conflicted about this but I don’t want my partner to suffer for my convictions if I can help it.
b) I do actually have some indigenous heritage but it is highly negligable. A far off ancestor who more than likely did not consent from what we can tell. I would never consider myself indigenous as I was not raised within their culture whatsoever.
I guess I’m in a similar situation for b. (some negligible heritage but not raised in the culture). As for (a), I don’t live in the U.S., so I have nothing to flee at the moment. Best of luck, hope you find safety.
Before endorsing something like this, maybe research about how statelessness is one of the things the UN is lauded for trying to end. It’s like the peacetime equivalent of a war-crime. Stateless persons are absolutely not something we should try to make more of. It’s a principle like self-determination that if someone is born and raised somewhere, they should never be forced to leave – violating this is how you get an Israel/Palestine situation.
If you’re very morally zealous, you are probably saying to this, “well fuck people who disagree – they should just leave.” Kinda naïve! If it were possible to arrange for that, a lot of conflicts in the world would never have started in the first place.
UN convention on stateless persons Statelessness (wikipedia)
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Does this mean the person pictured crosses the Bering Strait back to Asia?
generally anti-colonialists aren’t against colonizing areas that are uninhabited by humans. You could probably make this kind of joke work if you were to identify a pre-existing indigenous civilization that existed on the land before the person pictured’s society did, but you’d have to do actual research.
I never viewed anti-immigrant people as anti-colonist.
But leaving nature to nature is certainly something people advocate.
This is an anti-colonialist meme joking about people who are anti-immigration for other reasons
This. We can’t be arbitrary about when someone is immigrating. Given there were two population groups that migrated before this third ‘first’ nation, their status as immigrants isn’t really a debate; just a debate about when someone draws the line.
And if your line is drawn to allow one nation over another, you’re just yanking the ladder up like the current regime wants to do.
It appears, by this standard, the only people who weren’t immigrants were Adam and Eve. And they got kicked out.
When do you leave…also?
