I kinda like being able to watch a video on one screen and not having to make sure that there are no animations going on anywhere else or the video framerate drops like it’s 1996.
Weirdly this happens on my work laptop (x11) but not any other Linux machine I’ve used including all the Wayland ones. I assume it’s due to video drivers.
Might be worth looking into and reporting as a bug. I use wayland and very commonly watch a high quality video on one monitor and whole games on my other just fine.
My kid (13) surprised me the other day and said he wanted to try Linux. He has seen me forever using it and got scared about W10 getting hacked or something so thought of trying it out.
I handed over to him my Fedora 43 (KDE plasma) install USB drive and once installed the problems began.
The monitor couldn’t be set to native resolution, and Steam didn’t want to run. Turns out that there is no wayland compatibility with the Radeon Polaris RX480. What a bummer, that card is perfectly fine for what he does on his PC.
We tried with the cinnamon version and that is working fine. He even has roblox running.
Tl;Dr: Wayland isn’t compatible with older hardware that most casual windows users are mostly going to be using.
If he wants to try plasma just install the x11 version on fedora:
sudo dnf install plasma-workspace-x11
Yup. Its not the default anymore (and for good reason), but it is still supported for now. This is a pretty straightforward solution to the problem.
I just need xdotool. ydotool is missing almost everything. I don’t need programs sandboxed from each other. I don’t need that multi-DPI stuff (200% scaling works fine in X). Wayland doesn’t provide any features I’m missing.
If you’re on KDE there is kdotool , kdotool - a xdotool clone for KDE Wayland that works in conjunction with ydotool
Thanks, that looks a little better, but still missing things like sending keystrokes to non-active windows. (Also, I’m on Mate desktop on most my computers.)
When Debian Trixie with GNOME started with Wayland by default, I switched too. It’s not bad I guess.
When I updated KDE and found that I had lost the cube desktop switcher effect I was fairly put off on Wayland and made a lot of effort to get the cube back in various ways which did not go well. Now that it’s on Wayland, albeit slightly different, I am content with staying on Wayland. I can’t thank the people who ported it enough. It may seem like a trivial graphic effect to some but that fraction of a second that it uses when switching desktops is something that helps my ADHD tremendously. If I’m getting frustrated with a project I can switch to something else and something about that visualization helps me keep everything organized mentally. I use 4 virtual desktops, each with it’s own project subject matter, one for each side of the cube, excluding the top and bottom.
This meme imagary is from the movie Seven Psychopaths. It’s a very good movie.
Do the other effects for switching desktops, like the default slide, not accomplish the same thing? I also find that having no animation makes it harder to keep track of where things are, but just have the sliding one
I still have the slide as default and use it a lot. I have it set to slide when I mousewheel on the desktop and keep my taskbar shorter so there’s always some desktop showing in the corners. When I get frustrated with something though, I hit my key to activate the cube and the animation of it pulling away from the normal view works as like a disconnect from whatever I’m doing. Virtually stepping back basically.
Without the cube, I found I would get frustrated and instead of working on something else I would keep going and ultimately make mistakes and end up more frustrated. If I tried switching with the slide or fade to another project, the irritation stayed with me and I’d mess those other projects up too. The cube, for me, just worked.
I did have some success using the overview, however it was a lot more overwhelming with the way it shows everything, while the cube limits it to what’s on each cube face, without showing minimized windows at all.
I’m pretty sure you can get that effect in the desktop effects menu in kde settings
Yes now you can. But not initially. The old cube effect was removed and later re-implement
Yeah, so, switching to wayland still break copy/paste from terminal apps, still requires me to disable all hardware acceleration lest firefox freeze and plasma’s effects are visually broken, and it randomly swap my screen on each boot.
Meanwhile, no issue at all on X. I’ll still wait a bit.
Wait, is wayland the reason copy paste doesnt work and inserts weird character and brackets all the time?
That sounds more like escape sequence not being interpreted, but maybe? It’s a mess.
Basically, in some implementations (it’s true for at least KDE Plasma), the console app is never seen as “active” (the terminal emulator is), and as such can’t access the clipboard, something like that. There’s third party program you can use, and plugins for things like VIM, but when you get a step further with remote clipboard it’s even worse. And even when solutions exists, there’s weird caveat like “it will work all the time except if you’ve clicked somewhere in the past few seconds” or something.
I’m sure things will improve over time, but “we’re not there yet”.
Ok thanks, i quiet like kde but it is very annoying to not be able to copy paste without cleanup.
I think what you’re having is when the ‘pastee’ application is expecting shift-ctrl-v but you’ve used ctrl-v or vice versa.
I have a problem where copying from one application and pasting in another application randomly doesn’t work (using the correct key combo) but triple mousepad click to paste does work (I use Niri)
I get that on x11. Then I re paste and the wierd characters go away. Its odd
I had the same thing. I think I solved it by installing xclip.
In the past this doesn’t belong to me. I was okay with both. But I recently noticed that it is possible to connect a USB-OS to any system. The resolution is always correct. Thanks to wayland.
rstudio and octave is holding me back T_T
they should just work under wayland without supporting it. what’s the problem with them?
ngl i only made this comment hoping someone would provide a solution lmao
majority of the features does work but when it comes to plotting in octave, nothing shows up. last time i checked it was something to do with qt(something).
for rstudio i dont remember what problems i had but booting into x11 solved these issues.
I see. maybe they are trying to be wayland compatible but failing at it? I have written some relevant advice here: https://sh.itjust.works/comment/21809713
The only thing keeping me off of Wayland is the fact that OBS window capture forces me to manually reselect every window every time.
Weird, it doesn’t make me do that, I have it installed with the flatpak.
Same. Might be an issue with the legacy install method, the Flatpak OBS works like a charm.
for me its the god awful graphics when i go onto it. like everything seems blurry or streaky.
I prefer Wayland over X11, but Cinnamon doesn’t support it yet as stable
It’s not a million miles away, but it’s still got some problems. The ‘extract archive’ functionality seems to do it for me; think it must be wanting to pop up a (nested?) file chooser, but causes a session crash.
Cinnamon legacy for getting work done, and KDE wayland for playing games, for me. Nice to go 100% cinnamon though, for sure.
Correcto X11 just works for me, never had any issues, there is literally zero benefit for me swapping over.
Every time I am booted into a Wayland session, something doesn’t feel, look or work right which causes me pain and suffering through my OCD which i don’t have.
I’m planning on trying hyprland soon though because it can look very pretty so if I swap over to that then yes I’ll be a wayland pleb, but in that case there’s a real reason to me swapping… not just for zero benefit.
Been there for a year plus. Catch up
Idk, especially when using the most recent version of Wayland compositors, it’s been great. Solved my display and touchpad issues.
I did have some Nvidia issues but that shouldn’t be surprising regardless of display protocol.
But like… use whatever software you want. Worst case you can always just nest a minimal Wayland compositor like cage or gamescope in your X session.
Doesn’t Wayland slow to a crawl under CPU load? I get mouse updates like once a second if I dare to make this mini PC play a video.
No, it doesn’t.
Yeah I tried it for XFCE yesterday*, noticed a few things I wanted weren’t there (because XFWM isn’t ported over) and promptly switched back. Didn’t seem to me like it was more responsive or anything like that**.
But I am still using a 1050Ti, so who knows. That also kind of kills my interest in the idea even if I didn’t have fixed-if-you-use-this-specific-DE type issues. I also don’t really like the idea of CSD.
* after looking up that
labwcnot being installed was why the session wouldn’t launch before** entirely possible it is better in very specific scenarios, but the screen tearing that I see on X11 is diagonal (like the screen is 2 triangles, desynced) and honestly I don’t even know the exact game to test (as I don’t see tearing in videos or any other usage as far as I know)
