Well, the reality is that it does take work to live, sort of by definition. That is unless you envision life as existing in some sort of techno-uterus, being pumped full of nutrients a la the Matrix. But seriously, a fulfilling life does take work. A social safety net shouldn’t mean there is no expectation to work. There should be both.
I agree 100% with you. Everyone wants to be a socialist/communist until they realize that you still have to put in your fair share. There isn’t some magical system where everything is suddenly free for everyone. Mooching off others isn’t the way ANY economic system works. It’s what we have now, and it’s failing. Just because it’s you instead of some fat cat doesn’t change the fact that someone is trying to get something for free. Everyone works so that everyone prospers. What needs to change is who owns the labor. You work for what you have, not what someone else takes from you. Maybe one day we can live in an automated utopia where all our basic needs are provided for us, but we aren’t there yet, and anyone who says we are is ignoring the other thread they just spent ten minutes writing a comment in about how the AI bubble is about to burst.
Squirrels manage to live without capitalism and “worth”. Their trees aren’t “owned” and leased out by different squirrels that require them to spend a third of their day foraging for acorns not to eat, but to give the treelords so they have the basic need of shelter.
Can you even consider that how you think about life is a direct result of brainwashing?
Hardly worth engaging with someone who immediately starts with a strawman argument. I never said anything about worth or owned. But ironically I think most would consider the squirrel pretty hard working. I don’t think many squirrels expect someone else to build their house.
The worth comment was in reference to the image. All I did was compare a natural system versus our master slave one, challenging your argument. I guess I should have asked you to define work first, but instead you ignored the point and picked out the part that you thought best supported your argument.
Squirrels do work. But their work directly benefits and is essential to their survival. Also, older squirrels built their houses by planting the trees their younger generations now live in… For free.
Hard to argue one way or another with the one sentence statement in the original post. I mentioned that a social safety net is important but that there should be an expectation of work. Work doesn’t necessarily mean toiling in a factory for some wealthy capitalist. Ideally it means work towards self-improvement, which can mean a variety of things, including toiling in a factory.
Well, the reality is that it does take work to live, sort of by definition. That is unless you envision life as existing in some sort of techno-uterus, being pumped full of nutrients a la the Matrix. But seriously, a fulfilling life does take work. A social safety net shouldn’t mean there is no expectation to work. There should be both.
I agree 100% with you. Everyone wants to be a socialist/communist until they realize that you still have to put in your fair share. There isn’t some magical system where everything is suddenly free for everyone. Mooching off others isn’t the way ANY economic system works. It’s what we have now, and it’s failing. Just because it’s you instead of some fat cat doesn’t change the fact that someone is trying to get something for free. Everyone works so that everyone prospers. What needs to change is who owns the labor. You work for what you have, not what someone else takes from you. Maybe one day we can live in an automated utopia where all our basic needs are provided for us, but we aren’t there yet, and anyone who says we are is ignoring the other thread they just spent ten minutes writing a comment in about how the AI bubble is about to burst.
Squirrels manage to live without capitalism and “worth”. Their trees aren’t “owned” and leased out by different squirrels that require them to spend a third of their day foraging for acorns not to eat, but to give the treelords so they have the basic need of shelter.
Can you even consider that how you think about life is a direct result of brainwashing?
Hardly worth engaging with someone who immediately starts with a strawman argument. I never said anything about worth or owned. But ironically I think most would consider the squirrel pretty hard working. I don’t think many squirrels expect someone else to build their house.
The worth comment was in reference to the image. All I did was compare a natural system versus our master slave one, challenging your argument. I guess I should have asked you to define work first, but instead you ignored the point and picked out the part that you thought best supported your argument.
Squirrels do work. But their work directly benefits and is essential to their survival. Also, older squirrels built their houses by planting the trees their younger generations now live in… For free.
Hard to argue one way or another with the one sentence statement in the original post. I mentioned that a social safety net is important but that there should be an expectation of work. Work doesn’t necessarily mean toiling in a factory for some wealthy capitalist. Ideally it means work towards self-improvement, which can mean a variety of things, including toiling in a factory.